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So the FBI was advised in January that this kid was a threat and was planning a attack on a school yet, once again, they did not follow procedure. Don't worry though, they spoke with the parents and apologized. But we are still told the way to protect ourselves is to "say something". Seems the FBI drops the ball and does not follow procedure a lot when it comes to these kind of tips.
Saying something is useless if it falls on deaf ears...
So you have never been in such situation, nor have any real experience with it, but at least you know a woman who got spit on and hit the person with her purse.
It is so absurd what you are saying, I do not know if you are trolling or not.
You obviously did not read my post in reference to your post; I did answer your three questions.
You tell me what is absurd about protecting yourself? In the San Bernardino shooting it took the police 3 minutes and 32 seconds to respond and they missed the shooters. The damage was already done. These terrorist or nut cases don't care if your hiding in a closet or you have your hands over your heads; they will kill you. In this recent Florida shooting the police acted quick; but the shooter still left before they could apprehend him or stop him. They did capture him shortly afterwards. The point is that they did not stop him from killing; the damage was already done.
I am not trying to be absurd or unrealistic. You tell me how we can stop shootings, like this one, while they are in progress? The kids are there; we aren't!
Assuming that the FBI works on an overnight basis to monitor hundreds of millions or BILLIONS (worldwide) of people and their trillions of messages....is ridiculous.
It is not the job of the FBI to protect us from our follies. It is the job of government and regulation to make sure the person never gets the opportunity.
As we speak, another school shooting is reportedly underway. It won't stop until Americans decide it will. Neither a "Police State" nor "hoping for better human behavior" will help.
So interesting how many of the same people who championed "making government small enough to drown in the bathtub" now want us to have expensive and qualified Federal Agents making major decisions overnight on forum posts on the interweb.
Won't happen. If you are intent on fixing this, you will have to do it by donating money and volunteer work to the proper groups and at the ballot box. Period. Mommy and Daddy FBI cannot protect us from Capitalism ($$ for guns).
Ever hear of the NSA? You know, the agency who spys on every single hex bit that goes over the airwaves,fiber or wire?
How about that FBI that "supposedly" is able to spot a Russian hacker and trace 'em all the way to their house?
Either we're to believe that the FBI are some kind of super sleuths and digital experts that never fail in finding corruption,collusion and email evildoers or we can believe actual reality which is they can and do fail on occasion...
Here’s Why Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Never Reported Nikolas Cruz to the Police
Nikolas Cruz was a known threat. Known by the administrators of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It’s a clear case where a known dangerous student was not reported to the police. Why?
Because back in 2013, the Broward County School Board adopted a program where they don’t relay information to police about troubled students.
NPR reported in Fla. School District Trying To Curb School-To-Prison Pipeline;
It’s a move away from so-called “zero tolerance” policies that require schools to refer even minor misdemeanors to the police. Critics call it a “school to prison pipeline.”
Under a new program adopted by the Broward County School District, non-violent misdemeanors — even those that involve alcohol, marijuana or drug paraphernalia — will now be handled by the schools instead of the police.
Cruz was banned from carrying a backpack at school after bullets were found in his backpack. Cruz was expelled from MSD last year after a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend.
Non-violent misdemeanors? Even so, red flags were flying.
Again, the Broward County School Board has an official policy requiring that they don’t tell the police about non-violent incidents with troubled youth.
“There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus,” Maths teacher Jim Gard told The Miami Herald.
Let’s look at a law that might cover that.
784.011 Assault. —
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
So another Liberal Feel Good program once again stepped in the way of the laws we have on the books being effective. Because last I checked, his actions of making threats to students and teachers constitutes assault.
It is possible that Nikolas Cruz would have been Baker Acted and received the needed medical attention he required before this all happened. But that wasn’t the case and sadly, 17 people lost their lives because of “feelz“.
This is precisely why AR-15s should be banned. It is foolish to put our hope that school districts can or will protect kids from murder. They don't have the will and they don't have the ability.
It is also stupid to put faith in panaceas like mental health. All people have some kind of mental issue. Most people can be dangerous under the wrong circumstances. Saying mental health is an alternative to gun control is one of the ways the NRA and its minions take peoples eyes off the ball.
There is no alternative to banning these kinds of weapons.
This is precisely why AR-15s should be banned. It is foolish to put our hope that school districts can or will protect kids from murder. They don't have the will and they don't have the ability.
It is also stupid to put faith in panaceas like mental health. All people have some kind of mental issue. Most people can be dangerous under the wrong circumstances. Saying mental health is an alternative to gun control is one of the ways the NRA and its minions take peoples eyes off the ball.
There is no alternative to banning these kinds of weapons.
"These kind of weapons" meaning what exactly?
And when killers switch? What then, another banning frenzy?
This is precisely why AR-15s should be banned. It is foolish to put our hope that school districts can or will protect kids from murder. They don't have the will and they don't have the ability.
It is also stupid to put faith in panaceas like mental health. All people have some kind of mental issue. Most people can be dangerous under the wrong circumstances. Saying mental health is an alternative to gun control is one of the ways the NRA and its minions take peoples eyes off the ball.
There is no alternative to banning these kinds of weapons.
I'm going to have to ask to see your medical license as well as some supporting data before you get to decide to make laws.
Here’s Why Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Never Reported Nikolas Cruz to the Police
Nikolas Cruz was a known threat. Known by the administrators of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. It’s a clear case where a known dangerous student was not reported to the police. Why?
Because back in 2013, the Broward County School Board adopted a program where they don’t relay information to police about troubled students.
NPR reported in Fla. School District Trying To Curb School-To-Prison Pipeline;
It’s a move away from so-called “zero tolerance” policies that require schools to refer even minor misdemeanors to the police. Critics call it a “school to prison pipeline.”
Under a new program adopted by the Broward County School District, non-violent misdemeanors — even those that involve alcohol, marijuana or drug paraphernalia — will now be handled by the schools instead of the police.
Cruz was banned from carrying a backpack at school after bullets were found in his backpack. Cruz was expelled from MSD last year after a fight with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend.
Non-violent misdemeanors? Even so, red flags were flying.
Again, the Broward County School Board has an official policy requiring that they don’t tell the police about non-violent incidents with troubled youth.
“There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus,” Maths teacher Jim Gard told The Miami Herald.
Let’s look at a law that might cover that.
784.011 Assault. —
(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
So another Liberal Feel Good program once again stepped in the way of the laws we have on the books being effective. Because last I checked, his actions of making threats to students and teachers constitutes assault.
It is possible that Nikolas Cruz would have been Baker Acted and received the needed medical attention he required before this all happened. But that wasn’t the case and sadly, 17 people lost their lives because of “feelz“.
Seriously can any of you gun lovers compose normal paragraphs? Its like you all think and write in a bumper sticker format.
And when killers switch? What then, another banning frenzy?
What they switch to won't be as lethal. Shotguns, .22, etc. They are legitimate prices for living in a free society. AR-15s aren't. They're too dangerous.
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