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Old 06-15-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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I think this was a minor issue for Hillary Clinton. She was very active in pushing the bill at the time even as the first lady, however. I don't think many black voters switched to Trump because of it.
They didn't. They stayed home.

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Her issues were the server, being unlikable and untrustworthy even among Democrats and her campaign deciding that they did not have to worry about Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. Because somehow they thought that winning the popular vote was enough.
Minority voters in places like Philly and Detroit cared less about her server.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:35 PM
 
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They didn't. They stayed home.

Minority voters in places like Philly and Detroit cared less about her server.

She is not black so there was no way she was going to get the same turnout that Obama did. She was going to lose some votes for that fact no matter what.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:39 PM
 
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The biggest issue IMO was the DNC hack and the bias against Bernie.
For Trump voters.

For democrats they seemed to give the DNC a pass on screwing Bernie. Even today its secondary. They also seemed to ignore the info in the DNC hack. Even now that is not an issue for dems. Its all Trump and Russia for why Hillary lost.


The Trump campaign was more organized in the three swing states I mentioned and Hillary was not. If she was she would be POTUS now and these other factors would not be talked about.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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She is not black so there was no way she was going to get the same turnout that Obama did. She was going to lose some votes for that fact no matter what.
Which is why she needed to be there and not in Hollywood planning her coronation.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:41 PM
 
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For Trump voters.

For democrats they seemed to give the DNC a pass on screwing Bernie. Even today its secondary. They also seemed to ignore the info in the DNC hack. Even now that is not an issue for dems. Its all Trump and Russia for why Hillary lost.
Trump cheat = bad (even thought there is no evidence he did)

DNC cheat = well, that's OK.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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And just in time to bring us right back on topic.

If you want to pretend that Comey's actions didn't swing the 70K votes that changed the outcome of this election, then you've got 568 pages of reading right at your fingertips to help educate yourself.

Not to mention that Bernie was the cheater - hacking Clinton data, lying about endorsements, lying about his taxes. Holier than Thou Bernie is pretty damn scuzzy.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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And just in time to bring us right back on topic.

If you want to pretend that Comey's actions didn't swing the 70K votes that changed the outcome of this election, then you've got 568 pages of reading right at your fingertips to help educate yourself.

Not to mention that Bernie was the cheater - hacking Clinton data, lying about endorsements, lying about his taxes. Holier than Thou Bernie is pretty damn scuzzy.
There's no convincing evidence that what the FBI did changed the outcome of any votes. Clinton dropped 2% in the week immediately following the announcement by Comey. That's the 'evidence' people on the left are latching onto as proof. Most of them have read that in a tweet & have no context for it. You see Hillary also dropped 2% the week immediately prior to the announcement. It's called a trend. Trump had all the momentum and electricity, Hillary was a dud.

Also, the IG says the following about why the FBI decided to reopen the case...

Page #331: We found that what changed between September 29 and October 27 that finally prompted the FBI to take action was not new information about what was on the Weiner laptop but rather the inquiries from the SDNY prosecutors and then from the Department [Main Justice]. The only thing of significance that had changed was the calendar and the fact that people outside of the FBI were inquiring about the status of the Weiner laptop.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:09 PM
 
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Trump cheat = bad (even thought there is no evidence he did)

DNC cheat = well, that's OK.
I think this is what will doom the democrat party going forward. If they cannot be honest about 2016 how do they deal with 2020?
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:12 PM
 
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There's no convincing evidence that what the FBI did changed the outcome of any votes. Clinton dropped 2% in the week immediately following the announcement by Comey. That's the 'evidence' people on the left are latching onto as proof. Most of them have read that in a tweet & have no context for it. You see Hillary also dropped 2% the week immediately prior to the announcement. It's called a trend. Trump had all the momentum and electricity, Hillary was a dud.

If you are just looking at the national vote yes. But Trump lost the national vote. It was PA, MI and WI that were the difference. And the polling in those states leading up to the election was spotty. So its hard to say for sure.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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The biggest issue IMO was the DNC hack and the bias against Bernie.

It was that and running a horrible campaign, picking a vanilla VP, being unrelateable. I'll never forget the debate where they asked each candidate to state one thing they admire about the other. She started out by stating she admired Trump's family relationships and that his kids obviously love him. Should have stopped there....but then went on a 5 minute rant about some of her campaign talking points.



She had many moments like that where she was just too robotic/studied/impersonal. Add on the fact that the GOP basically had her in their cross hairs for 10 years and her losing wasn't that surprising even if the opponent was the worst candidate in my lifetime.


Still can't believe she was campaigning in Georgia and Texas and not the states needed to secure victory. She ran a horrible horrible campaign and I blame her for this pox we have now.
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