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Old 07-21-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sorry Charlie. I'm so glad that I read Dark Money. It clued me in to how many universities are knuckling under to big donor demands for a say in school political policy. I'm wise to your fake documents.

When universities sell their souls, why do they have to sell so cheaply?
Who do you allege paid off the UCLA economists on their FDR research? Be specific. Provide proof.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Please explain why because someone can, they must pay?
Commonwealth? Happiness of the People?
Mission statements of businesses?
Morality and ethics?
Corporate charters (in many cases, states and countries require that corporations be for "the good")....

Would you like any other possibilities?

Your question is akin to "why should I leave any tip- ever - for anyone?"....or," if I have a business and my employees are helping me succeed, I should milk them for as much as possible".

If that is your world view - fine. But don't expect me to buy it. I've been on the employer side for 40 years and haven't bought it yet.....selfishness and immorality don't tempt me.

But some here might be game. Try them.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Aristotle. Reality. Observation. And how is it that a position that favors theft and price fixing is not the extreme position? My system has a mechanism for setting prices: voluntary cooperation and trade. Your system has a mechanism for setting prices: State coercion. Tyranny.
Aristotle, really? You did none of the above. This started with your position on Roosevelt. Roosevelt instituted a Keynesian level economic rescue of the economy and the American people. It was an intervention of necessity. He also introduced a system of fairness in the work place which you labeled as something akin to Socialist. It boggles the mind that you as a real estate agent are attempting to distort history to meet some anarchist agenda.

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You know what? Let's adopt my extreme position of freedom, and let's throw away your mainstream system of enslavement and tyranny. My extreme is good. Your mainstream is evil.
Your "extreme position of freedom" has in the past been referred to as anarchy.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:02 PM
 
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Since Republicans and the same trickle down dereg policies created both the Great Depression and the Great Recession, the GOP has to rewrite history....with a completely false and simple narrative...in order to save face (but only in their own minds)....

They certainly wouldn't tell us stuff like "Republicans rolled back a lot of FDR's stuff as soon as they could because they wanted to get back to the business of fleecing people".....like Wells Fargo today. Look what they do as soon as they are "saved".....

And who are these rubes that know so much about history and economics that they can say - with certainty - how long a depression (worst in history) is SUPPOSED TO LAST.

You have to be fairly clueless in the subject to assume the excesses of many years are somehow repaired in a couple. Look at the GWB/Republican Recession. That is a 20 year event. Some parts will extend even longer. It took 8+ years to even get slightly upright...although much of that is fake...

I would really like to get ahold of a new set of Encyclopedias - the ones that rewrite all this history...to suit what they "feel in their guts"...or what a political operative "feels".

I guess it's sorta hopeless to try and point out that just because something is written doesn't mean it is true....???
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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Since Republicans and the same trickle down dereg policies created both the Great Depression and the Great Recession, the GOP has to rewrite history....with a completely false and simple narrative...in order to save face (but only in their own minds)....

They certainly wouldn't tell us stuff like "Republicans rolled back a lot of FDR's stuff as soon as they could because they wanted to get back to the business of fleecing people".....like Wells Fargo today. Look what they do as soon as they are "saved".....

And who are these rubes that know so much about history and economics that they can say - with certainty - how long a depression (worst in history) is SUPPOSED TO LAST.

You have to be fairly clueless in the subject to assume the excesses of many years are somehow repaired in a couple. Look at the GWB/Republican Recession. That is a 20 year event. Some parts will extend even longer. It took 8+ years to even get slightly upright...although much of that is fake...

I would really like to get ahold of a new set of Encyclopedias - the ones that rewrite all this history...to suit what they "feel in their guts"...or what a political operative "feels".

I guess it's sorta hopeless to try and point out that just because something is written doesn't mean it is true....???
So trickle down caused the "Great Recession?" I suppose if you are biased in your beliefs it would be easy to convince yourself of such but that was NOT the cause! Then again, I guess people see what they want to see.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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So trickle down caused the "Great Recession?" I suppose if you are biased in your beliefs it would be easy to convince yourself of such but that was NOT the cause! Then again, I guess people see what they want to see.
Lack of Regs - allowing anyone to buy...often on margin.

"The business of America is Business" - actual statement by former POTUS.

The failure to continue the progressive policies of Teddy R (a Republican thrown out of the party for being progressive).

The same old same old you hear today "The best economy EVER" - leading people uneducated in stocks to throw their money at Wall Street.

Financial Instruments of Mass Destruction...

This is my opinion gleamed from reading thousands of pages about the era...not all specifically about the Depression, but rather about the situation during the "roaring 20's".....

During the period before, you had stuff happening like the TeaPot Dome - totally corrupt GOP Administration...ring any bells?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal

"Before the Watergate scandal, Teapot Dome was regarded as the "greatest and most sensational scandal in the history of American politics".....

Quite a coincidence....seems like the biggest scandals in our history....often involving money, happened during a GOP POTUS. The Depression did too....Great Recession did too. Reagan...oh, he was the good one, the most indicted administration in history (but mostly not for direct money - more to undermine democracy).

Must just be an accident, eh?
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Who do you allege paid off the UCLA economists on their FDR research? Be specific. Provide proof.
Both authors Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian are members of the right wing think tank the Hoover Institution. That in itself taints their opinions. Here is additional information that Cole and Ohanian are politically biased: https://uneasymoney.com/2011/09/26/m...at-depression/

Here is a quote from the above article: "So when Cole and Ohanian assert that recovery from the Great Depression started in July 1932, and go on to say that the recovery took place during a period of significant deflation, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that they are twisting the facts to suit their own ideological predilection. The misrepresentation perpetrated by Cole and Ohanian only gets worse when they describe what happened during the period of true recovery, April through July 1933. Contrary to their assertion, deflation stopped in February 1933, the PPI hitting its low point of 10.3. Prices began to rise as soon as FDR suspended the gold standard shortly after taking office in March (not June as Cole and Ohanian mistakenly assert) 1933, the PPI rising to 11.9 in July (an increase of about 14% over February) when industrial production hit a peak of 5.95, 57% above the March low point."


Proof provided.

Please don't come back with any more distortions of real history to support your libertarian (anarchist) agenda.

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Old 07-21-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Oh you know my ilk? Here's my ilk, then we'll go over yours again.


1) Not a problem. A minor child cannot give informed consent to a contract. Therefore, no child labor problem.
2) Sex trafficking: Not a problem. In a free society, nobody gets trafficked unless they want to get trafficked and are of the age of consent. So yes, prostitution is totally legal under my system.
3) Indentured servitude: Not a problem. Doesn't exist. Free adults of consenting age can structure an employment contract any damned way they wish. It's called freedom. Nobody's business but their own.
Suddenly you get to decide who's of age to consent to these agreements? Looks like someone wants to deprive others of their rights to enter freely into agreements... That's how your nonsense argument works.

But even operating in your warped worldview, someone must be responsible for entering into agreements on behalf of minors. So now the doors back open for child labor and sex trafficking and indentured servitude bc of greedy parents *cough* I mean free marketers to sell &rent their children or other minors under their control for profit.

That's the kind of transaction that passes as legit in your world.

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Now back to your system: The centerpiece being that it is morally right to steal the assets of an individual, against his will, for the unearned and undeserved benefit of others. That's your progressive idea of "compassion". You are a champion of hatred. Hatred of virtuous people who earn their money. Envy of people who are better than you. Destruction and enslavement of those people using the monopoly on violence granted only to the State in the form of the police power, and then using that power to enslave people, take their private property, and give it away to whomever your panel of vicious mediocre bureaucratic experts decides has a need.


The $15 minimum wage is an illegal taking, it is theft on a grand scale, it is coercion, compulsion, and enslavement. It is moral insanity, economic suicide, and a cowardly way for the weak to tyrannize the strong.


It is justified based on collectivistic adaptations of retarded philosophies such as utilitarianism and consequentialism. But of course, similar to all the other redistributive Ponzi schemes, it MUST fail. Restaurants must raise prices to unreasonable levels, diners stay home or do what I do: dine OUTSIDE the city. Restaurants close. Idiot workers who demanded the immoral minimum wage are now unemployed. Robots become more economically feasible, and jobs are eliminated. People dreaming of opening a restaurant do a cost benefit and trash that dream, at least in areas where the confiscatory coercive minimum wage is declared economic martial law. The unjust high wages fuel inflation, raising prices for everything until the $15/hr buys the same goods and services $8 used to.


So even if it did accomplish anything, it would still be immoral theft. But in the end, it ALSO does not accomplish anything except permanently eliminating jobs and dampening business ventures. It is LOSE-LOSE-LOSE.


So it is unethical, immoral, and serves no purpose. Great, let's pass it so the idiot workers will also be the idiot voters who keep us in power.


And that, ladies and gentlemen, was always the cynical purpose of the minimum wage. To buy votes from stupid people.
That's a very long winded way to say you support child labor and sex trafficking.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You do realize most of that cost reflects overhead expenses such as location rental, etc., no? Manhattan is a very pricey location for even an informal pizza restaurant.
None of that matters. You expect consumers to pay 15-25% on top of their bill to close the wage gap for servers and staff. Do away with tipping, build that 15%+ into food prices, and now restaurants can "afford" to pay their employees with barely any change to anyone's expenses. Now find a better argument.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Suddenly you get to decide who's of age to consent to these agreements? Looks like someone wants to deprive others of their rights to enter freely into agreements... That's how your nonsense argument works.

But even operating in your warped worldview, someone must be responsible for entering into agreements on behalf of minors. So now the doors back open for child labor and sex trafficking and indentured servitude bc of greedy parents *cough* I mean free marketers to sell &rent their children or other minors under their control for profit.

That's the kind of transaction that passes as legit in your world.



That's a very long winded way to say you support child labor and sex trafficking.
They call it libertarian. When you take a closer look at libertarian-ism it's profiteering from anarchy.They are in a position to increase their profits in the absence of laws. Every expense becomes a crushing expense. Every law is a Fascist burden.

Just more propaganda from the right wing.
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