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Old 08-21-2018, 04:45 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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" acted at the behest of the “candidate.” There is only one candidate. The president of the United States has now been implicated in commission of federal crime(s) by his longtime lawyer. Take that in. The details of those crimes and Cohen’s obligations, if any, to cooperate will unfold
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...?noredirect=on
Not to rehash or be revisionist about history, but the fact remains that Trump nearly dropped out of the entire race due to the "Access Hollywood" comments. I don't think I'd be overstating to say had the Stormy Daniels thing came out prior to the election it would have been a bridge too far for a lot of voters. Enough to swing the election? Perhaps, but apparently Trump believed that to be the case.

Yes, this is a big deal.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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They are investors in the Ark project and believe Noah saved the dinosaurs.
But-but-but~ I thought the dinosaurs drowned in the Flood!!
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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And of course, Manafort now has some time to ponder whether he wants to flip and start singing before his next trial.
Exactly, facing up to 80 years, I’m sure, if there is anything to consider, he will consider.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:48 PM
 
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" acted at the behest of the “candidate.” There is only one candidate. The president of the United States has now been implicated in commission of federal crime(s) by his longtime lawyer. Take that in. The details of those crimes and Cohen’s obligations, if any, to cooperate will unfold
"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...?noredirect=on
As per Richard Nixon and Watergate--he/Trump is/was an unindicted co-conspirator
Check Cohen's attorney Lanny Davis
He called Trump out by name...
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:49 PM
 
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Not to rehash or be revisionist about history, but the fact remains that Trump nearly dropped out of the entire race due to the "Access Hollywood" comments. I don't think I'd be overstating to say had the Stormy Daniels thing came out prior to the election it would have been a bridge too far for a lot of voters. Enough to swing the election? Perhaps, but apparently Trump believed that to be the case.

Yes, this is a big deal.
Prebus is the one who wanted him to withdraw for the good of the GOP
Bannon (and Trump) are the ones who wouldn't hear of it
Maybe because Trump knew he had McDougall and Daniels in the bag so to speak...
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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Trump is still president and will be re-elected by a landslide in 2020.
Nope, the landslide will bring him down long before that.

The Dixie Chicks told me so.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Whitewater does not compare to this. To posture like it does in disingenuous. Whitewater was an issue that was specific to probable business crimes committed by the Clintons. There was evidence.

Whereas this began on no evidence specific to Trump, and was largely supported by Kremlin sourced "oppo" fictitious narratives bought and paid for by the DNC and targeting Trump (which is effective collusion on the part of the DNC, that wholly overshadows an a Trump camp meeting that led to nothing).

So, on one had you have an investigation that was specific to Clinton, based on evidence, and thus not a partisan witch hunt. On the other, you have an investigation that was not specific to Trump but is obviously targeting Trump (aka: a partisan witch hunt).

Moreover, the gravity of both issues, as measured by the possible effects on our democracy, is not in the same ballpark.

With that fact in mind, that this special investigation looks to be much more rootless, partisan, and thus corrupt makes the two situations not comparable in any way.
No evidence specific to Trump?
Cohen was his personal lawyer.
Cohen arranged payments to Trump’s mistresses at Trump’s behest.
Cohen stated that he knowlingly committed a campaign violation at his candidate’s request.
His candidate actively participated in an illegal action just before the election.

But, yeah, let’s keep trying to claim that none of this is specific to Trump.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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Paul Manafort stood stonefaced as he was found guilty on eight counts of filing false tax returns and bank fraud

What will this day be called?
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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You really don't know much about American government, do you? Trump cannot pardon himself for everything. It doesn't work that way.

Trump can be impeached, and if he continues as he is presently operating, this is an increasingly likely scenario, most likely sometime in 2019. Or the 25th Amendment can be put to use. This is also increasingly likely, though most would hope it won't come to that as it would be a painfully divisive move and extremely humiliating for Trump.(not that he wouldn't deserve it, but there's the good of the country to consider).

Or he could finish out his term and declare he's achieved his goals so will not run for reelection. This would be ideal for the country but is unlikely, given Trump's temperament.

Or he could be forced out earlier by some other measure, but this would be even worse for the country.

Or he could admit he's made huge mistakes and is not right for the office (he'd never admit to being unfit for the office), and resign with a modicum of grace, Nixon-style. Again, very unlikely though one of the least disruptive options.

If Trump remains in office, we're just going to see and experience more of the same unless he is somehow persuaded that he absolutely must rein in his behavior, for the good of the nation - and the world. Much is happening today but I expect it will just make Trump dig in, foolishly.

Sad, really - even given his obvious weaknesses, if Trump had more self-control, were willing to listen to others with the knowledge and experience he lacked, had made a genuine effort to educate himself, and cared more about the country than his own self, he could have been a passable president, if not a very good one.

But then, he wouldn't be Trump...just hope the country doesn't suffer too much when the inevitable end of Trump's stay in the Oval Office comes.
But has anything happened?? No proof or evidence against Trump. CNBC states they were indicted while they were consulting for a pro russia party in ukraine and not for trump campaign???

I am not sure what is the suffering people are facing?
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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Michael Cohen has reached a plea deal. Is he cooperating with the corrupt Mueller probe ?


I wonder what that plea deal looks like.



Michael Cohen admits violating campaign finance laws 'at direction of' Trump | Fox News


Yesterdays link and a little background.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-taxi-business

The deal looks like this:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...mized/full.pdf
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