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Old 11-25-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Are people really going into debt to study this? There is may be 10-20 jobs across America that would require this knowledge.
Loads of social workers and teachers take classes like those, in addition to students who have other majors in the humanities. This explains many of the problems we have with social workers and in K-12 education. And, quite frankly, both of those areas tend not to attract the cream of the crop intellectually on our campuses.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Are people really going into debt to study this? There is may be 10-20 jobs across America that would require this knowledge.
A lot of kids study easy majors just to get a degre.

STEMM (science, tech, engineering, math, medical) degrees involve rigorous coursework/math and they will have none of it.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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As in not having solely learned textbook-engineering practices; which is to say they should be competent writers and have a basic understanding of foreign cultures and history, as they’re competing in a global economy (and oftentimes designing products for foreign markets, consumers and cultures).
Now point me please in that list of courses above, what would be relevant to "foreign markets."
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:25 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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My requirement in ABET accredited program was 18 credits lib arts of which 6 had to be upper. To get the 6 upper you had to take enough pre reqs that you ended up with 23-24 credits lib arts total. You were constantly pushed to declare a minor. No business courses allowed. No foreign language courses allowed.

The current credit requirement is the same, but courses are no longer, music appreciation, literature survey courses, or history courses, but ethnic and gender studies - foreign engineering students are directed to womens studies courses and US born students to ethnic studies courses. Absolutely no business courses or foreign language courses allowed. The foreign language list was apparently left off by mistake and suddenly there was swath of enrollment in business-useful language courses - Chinese, Japanese (presumably).
Weird. That is not at all the case at the state university where my engineering student is pursuing her degree. Many Gen Ed requirements are easily fulfilled with survey courses in Economics, Literature, and History. Something like 1/2 of the courses that meet the Arts & Humanities requirement are Foreign Language and a handful more are traditional Literature, including a course on Shakespeare.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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A lot of kids study easy majors just to get a degre.

STEMM (science, tech, engineering, math, medical) degrees involve rigorous coursework/math and they will have none of it.
You've missed the point, apparently.
That's the selection of classes that STEM STUDENTS are required to take.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes. There is a segment that just hates anyone with a college degree. Jealousy or whatever.

"My husband is a plumber with no college and he makes a kazillion dollar". OK. Great. But he would make 2 kazillion dollars if he did have a college degree. .
Not necessarily. It would depend on what type of degree he had. I'd bet that plumbers earn more than people with liberal arts degrees. And also remember, some plumbers actually did go to college and have degrees.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Also, I don't feel sorry for people who don't go to college or try to pursue vocational training. They have no business being jealous of others.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:35 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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You've missed the point, apparently.
That's the selection of classes that STEM STUDENTS are required to take.
At your son's university, but that's not the case everywhere. I've posted what my engineering student has taken to fulfill her general education requirements, and with only one obvious exception, Survey of Theater, everything has been relevant to her chosen career path. And she took Theater by choice because she knew she would enjoy it. Maybe you and your son should have looked a little more carefully at UW-La Crosse before committing since its General Education program offends you. It's not like the university hides the requirements. It's all spelled out quite clearly on-line at their website with course descriptions and everything!
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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A lot of kids study easy majors just to get a degre.

STEMM (science, tech, engineering, math, medical) degrees involve rigorous coursework/math and they will have none of it.
Something else that should not be overlooked is that when universities admit way more students than they should, they will get a whole lot of students who aren't smart enough to finish a proper, rigorous college education. Just look at the stats on how many remedial courses are now offered. Creating majors bereft of rigor and courses in which subjectivity reins, both in content and assessment, creates a place for such students.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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TIL that some people think that having well-rounded engineers whom can compete at a global level are “indoctrinated”.



Some people are far too ignorant to realize that culture and engineering are highly, highly intertwined.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...tem-enrollment
https://nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsb2...-s-e-workforce
81% of engineering grad students are foreigners. At bachelor's level that is around 20%.

Plenty of global exposure.

You study engineering to learn engineering not some other countries bad translated literature.
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