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Old 11-19-2018, 09:42 PM
 
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Why don't you tell us about your own college experience? In any case, you sound every bit as indoctrinated as you claim college graduates are.
I am a graduate student in the humanities and was previously a grad assistant. I also have the advantage of having gotten my bachelor's in the early/mid 90s, during the first round of "political correctness." I am also a reliable Democratic voter. I'm also a high school teacher. I'm also someone who vociferously argues for the value of a liberal arts education. For these reasons, I think I'm particularly well-suited to comment on all this.

The idea that all of this is simply some right-wing boogeyman is laughable. The belief that this stuff is confined to the nether regions of state university campuses and small liberal arts schools is frightening. Not only does it affect (infect?) the entirety of campuses, it affects other institutions of society, like the criminal justice system, K-12 schools, relations between different groups in society.

The humanities and social sciences are completely fixated on this claptrap. This Twitter feed has been harvesting articles and dissertations emerging from the bowels of the humanities and social sciences for some time now. There must be thousands of papers at this point. It isn't hard to explain why this is happening. A disproportionate percentage of academics are into these lifestyles and they have a vehicle by which to try to validate these lifestyles.

The folks who push this piffle make it easier for right-wingers to devalue a liberal arts education. It would be much more difficult to disparage it if our humanities folks were putting out legitimate research that served the public good. When they don't...when they publish gibberish-laden political advocacy masquerading as scholarship, the right-wingers can easily point to it as another reason that universities should become four-year technical school producing workers. What a shame.
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:06 PM
 
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If liberals created this mess, why is that other wealthy, Western countries, all of which are far more politically liberal than the US, haven't seen the continued decline in educational outcomes you speak of? Do they have consistently higher educational outcomes than does the US -- the most politically conservative country in the West?

American conservatives really, really need to experience living outside of the US. It would be an invaluable educational experience for them.
Your post exemplifies much of the problem. There are multiple variables that explain why some other countries immersed in this belief system still manage to be largely successful with their education systems. One factor is the pay and esteem that are given to teachers in these societies. Another is that they are less prone to educational fads, as we are here. Another, uncomfortable one for some of you is homogeneity. A very heterogeneous society like ours, which tends less and less to attract the most intelligent people to teaching and which is prone to buying into the latest educational fads is of course going to lag behind Finland or Japan in education, regardless if Finland begins embracing and implementing "SJW" dogma.
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Pueblo area
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Anyone that disagrees with me is brainwashed. What kind of logic is that?
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:15 PM
 
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Anyone that disagrees with me is brainwashed. What kind of logic is that?
Terrific strawman argument.

Now, you know what I'd absolutely love to debate? The logic behind any of the hypotheses, like "the school-to-prison pipeline," or "the patriarchy" or "whiteness" theory or transgenderism theory. Would you like to subject those and other examples of dogma from the belief system to logical analysis?
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Pueblo area
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Terrific strawman argument.

Now, you know what I'd absolutely love to debate? The logic behind any of the hypotheses, like "the school-to-prison pipeline," or "the patriarchy" or "whiteness" theory or transgenderism theory. Would you like to subject those and other examples of dogma from the belief system to logical analysis?
Not sure what your question is, but have been hearing this for years. Conservatives are the victims of evil liberal professors that have a magical ability to indoctrinate helpless students. In only 3 hours a week. They are just empty vessels with no thoughts of their own. Now all colleges do is gender studies….
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:48 PM
 
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Your post exemplifies much of the problem. There are multiple variables that explain why some other countries immersed in this belief system still manage to be largely successful with their education systems. One factor is the pay and esteem that are given to teachers in these societies. Another is that they are less prone to educational fads, as we are here. Another, uncomfortable one for some of you is homogeneity. A very heterogeneous society like ours, which tends less and less to attract the most intelligent people to teaching and which is prone to buying into the latest educational fads is of course going to lag behind Finland or Japan in education, regardless if Finland begins embracing and implementing "SJW" dogma.



I agree. I'll also argue that other first world countries don't codify it's young people, e.g. safe spaces, no testing because it might upset students, grading students on what they turn in, not what they feel they are entitled to.
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:51 PM
 
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Not sure what your question is, but have been hearing this for years. Conservatives are the victims of evil liberal professors that have a magical ability to indoctrinate helpless students. In only 3 hours a week. They are just empty vessels with no thoughts of their own. Now all colleges do is gender studies….
See, here is more bad faith, deceptive argumentation. I have not labeled anyone "evil." I also have never argued that "all colleges do is gender studies." Do you wish to have an intelligent discussion or just offer up more fallacious arguments?
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Pueblo area
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See, here is more bad faith, deceptive argumentation. I have not labeled anyone "evil." I also have never argued that "all colleges do is gender studies." Do you wish to have an intelligent discussion or just offer up more fallacious arguments?
OK, I’m bored. I did not accuse you of anything. Yes, exaggerating the anti-college discussion. Guilty.

My generic question is “How are corporate stock option rich software liberals secretly socialists?”
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Yes. There is a segment that just hates anyone with a college degree. Jealousy or whatever.

"My husband is a plumber with no college and he makes a kazillion dollar". OK. Great. But he would make 2 kazillion dollars if he did have a college degree.

The real reason for the animosity is ideas, facts, statistics, and critical thinking.


Which is lacking in the Trump world. And with the Tea Party before.
There's a local plumber in my town who has a Ph.D. in Engineering from Stanford. Yeah, no kidding. He explains clogs and solutions like a professor. If you think about it, plumbing is kind of like advanced technial problem solving - engineering, which explains his interest. And the guy makes a lot more than if he was a professor at a local university here.
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:19 AM
 
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No. It wasn’t basic enough. It’s not a “basic” topic.

Remind me again...was it a liberal or a conservative administration that gave us No Child Left Behind?
It was liberal .... President Lyndon B. Johnson who was behind the original legislation called the ESEA (Elementary and Secondary Education Act) of 1965.

Subsequent administrations, both Democrat and Republican have re-authorized the act since then, with the latest being Barrack Obama. When George Bush signed the re-authorization, it was given the moniker of“no child left behind”.” Conservative critics mocked it by calling it “the no child’s behind left” untouched by government.

Just a reminder ...
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