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Flynn would have received a maximum of 6 months in the pokey.... Mueller knew he didn't lie.....
And like Corsi, Stone and Manafort, he too would not bear false witness.
Lets talk about this bit of nonsense first. Manafort was facing 0-6 on the things he was charged with. If you read the sentencing recommendation you can easily see charges of conspiracy to kidnap for example. The guy was literally talking about extra judicially kidnapping a guy for Turkey. And you could argue a whole bunch of other charges pretty easily. Getting charged with just this is part of his plea deal. Keeping his kid out of jail is part of it as well.
So lets forget that bit of nonsense. Flynn got a HECK of a deal. Also your argument that the 1st amendment protects him from charges that you made up further up the thread is all sorts of nonsense thats been debunked repeatedly.
Those trying to pretend this is something else are just fooling yourself. No one else is falling for that nonsense.
How do you know that what Flynn provided to Mueller didn't prove that there was no collusion?
I do want to call this comment out. Most of the stuff the rights been going on about is utter nonsense....except this. stburr91 is right to point this out. Right now nothing in the document calls out Trump as a bad guy. And Flynn could get a break for also helping clear him. Something I would be fine with. I want Mueller to get to the truth, no matter if I like it or not. Dont let your biases make you assume things. I could also be the other way where Flynn is helping find Trump guilty, but due to the redactions we do not know yet.
How do you know that what Flynn provided to Mueller didn't prove that there was no collusion?
How is Flynn going to prove a negative? At best, Flynn could have showed Mueller that he had no evidence of collusion. But that is the opposite of what the filing said.
Is it possible that Flynn had proof that it was exclusively people outside the Trump campaign that orchestrated collusion with Russia? Of course, anything is possible. But is it plausible? Not really.
To be clear, per my earlier post I have no clue whether or not Flynn's assistance implicates or doesn't implicate Trump himself - that remains to be seen. But to claim that Flynn somehow proved to Mueller that no collusion with Russia occurred? That makes no sense.
Lets talk about this bit of nonsense first. Manafort was facing 0-6 on the things he was charged with. If you read the sentencing recommendation you can easily see charges of conspiracy to kidnap for example. The guy was literally talking about extra judicially kidnapping a guy for Turkey. And you could argue a whoe bunch of other charges pretty easily. Getting charged with just this is part of his plea deal. Keeping his kid out of jail is part of it as well.
So lets forget that bit of nonsense. Flynn got a HECK of a deal. Also your argument that the 1st amendment protects him from charges that you made up further up the thread is all sorts of nonsense thats been debunked repeatedly.
Those trying to pretend this is something else are just fooling yourself. No one else is falling for that nonsense.
Which is why it is a reasonable assumption that he gave Mueller something of value. "Substantial assistance".
thanks to Flynns_timeline for this, a heck of a recap:
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April 2014 — Flynn is fired as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency ("abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." per Colin Powell).
Oct. 2014 — Flynn founds Flynn Intel Group. In a letter from the DIA, Flynn is warned that he is prohibited from receiving "consulting fees, gifts, travel expenses, honoraria, or salary ... from a foreign government unless congressional consent is first obtained".
Summer 2015 — Flynn is paid by ACU Strategic Partners to travel to the Middle East to promote a trillion-dollar Saudi-financed U.S.–Russian business to develop nuclear power capabilities in the Arab world. Flynn does not disclose this trip when applying for his security clearance renewal in Jan. 2016
Late Summer 2015 — Flynn begins advising the Trump campaign.
Aug. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from Volga-Dnepr Airlines, a Russian airfreight company that the U.N. had suspended from its list of approved vendors after a corruption scandal involving an indicted Russian U.N. official.
Oct. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from a subsidiary Kaspersky Lab. Ruslan Stoyanov, head of Kaspersky's computer incidents investigation unit is arrested in Russia, for treason, in December 2016.
Flynn travels to Saudi Arabia to again promote the Saudi/Russian nuclear project. He fails to disclose the nature of the travel and reports a fictional hotel name as his residence during the trip.
Dec. 2 — Flynn and his son meet with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak at his Washington, D.C. residence. In a subsequent email to the Russian embassy, Flynn’s son described the meeting as “very productive”. The meeting came to light publicly only in April 2018.
Dec. 10 — Seated directly at Vladimir Putin's right hand, Flynn appears in Moscow at a gala hosted by Kremlin-controlled propaganda outlet Russia Today (RT). RT pays Flynn $45,000 for his participation and provides airfare, accommodations and other expenses for Flynn and his son.
U.S. intelligence notices an uptick in communication between Flynn and Kislyak shortly after.
Feb. 2016 — Flynn increases his role with the Trump campaign and is later vetted as a possible VP pick.
Feb. 11 — While applying for renewal of his security clearance, Flynn tells Pentagon investigators that he had received no income from foreign companies and had only “insubstantial contact” with foreign nationals.
May 2016 — Flynn joins the advisory board of OSY Technologies, part of the NSO Group, a secretive cyberweapons dealer founded by former Israeli intelligence officials. NSO's spyware is subsequently found to have been used to attack and surveil prominent journalists and human rights activists.
July 18 — Flynn leads crowds at the Republican National Convention in chants of "Lock her up!", saying "if I did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today!".
Aug. 9 — Flynn signs a contract with Inovo, a firm owned by Ekim Alptekin, a close ally and appointee of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Flynn is assigned to run an influence campaign to discredit Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric who lives in Pennsylvania and was blamed by Erdogan for a failed coup.
Summer 2016 — Flynn Intel begins work on a pro-Turkey documentary, hiring professionals to shoot it, misleading them about the intentions of the project and working to conceal its role in producing the film.
Aug. 17 — Flynn begins attending classified intelligence briefings with candidate Trump.
Sept. 3 — Flynn and associates begin reaching out to Russian hackers in an attempt to obtain Clinton's personal e-mails and transmit them to Flynn through an intermediary.
Sept. 19 — Flynn meets with Turkey's ministers of foreign affairs and energy, Erdogan's son-in-law, and other officials at an undisclosed New York hotel, in a meeting arranged by Alptekin. Among other topics, Flynn discusses a plan for "a covert step in the dead of night to whisk [Gulen] away" without going through the legal extradition process.
Sept. 20 — Flynn, his son and business partners meet with Dana Rohrabacher, a U.S. congressman best known as a staunch advocate of pro-Russia policies.
Nov. 8 — Election day. Flynn publishes a lengthy op-ed entitled "Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support". He states that "we need to see the world from Turkey’s perspective" and brands Gulen as "a radical Islamist". Flynn does not disclose to the publisher that he was being paid by Alptekin.
Nov. 10 — Obama, in a face-to-face conversation with Trump, warns against hiring Flynn to be part of Trump's national security team.
Nov. 11 — Media reports expose Flynn's contract with Alptekin to lobby on behalf of Turkey.
Nov. 14 — Flynn receives the final installment of $530,000 from Alptekin.
Nov. 18 — Flynn accepts Trump's offer of the position of National Security Advisor. Pence receives a letter from Rep. Cummings notifying him of Flynn's work on behalf of Turkey.
Nov. 30 — The Justice Department notifies Flynn that it is scrutinizing his work lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government.
Nov./Dec. 2016 — Flynn meets with Austrian far-right leader Heinz-Christian Strache at Trump Tower. Strache announces weeks later that his party has signed a cooperation agreement with Vladimir Putin's ruling party.
Dec. 1 — Flynn meets with Russian ambassador Kislyak and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner at Trump Tower. The men discuss the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities to shield their discussions from monitoring.
Mid-Dec. — Flynn meets with the Turkish government to discuss an offer to pay him and his son as much as $15 million to kidnap Gulen and deliver him to a Turkish prison island.
Dec. 22 — Flynn secretly asks Kislyak for Russia's help to delay or defeat a pending UN Security Council resolution.
Dec. 29 — Flynn secretly discusses relief from U.S. sanctions with Kislyak on the same day the Obama administration announces its response to Russian interference in the campaign.
Jan. 4 — Flynn tells Trump’s transition team that he is under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey during the campaign.
Jan. 6 (approx.) — The FBI begins investigating Flynn's late December phone conversations with Kislyak.
Jan. 12 — Conforming to the wishes of Turkey, Flynn instructs the Obama administration to hold off on a military operation to retake the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa with Syrian Kurdish forces.
Jan. 18 — Flynn attends a “working breakfast” with the Foreign Minister of Turkey and others, including Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Jan. 20 — Trump is inaugurated. Flynn becomes National Security Advisor.
Eleven minutes into the Trump presidency, Flynn texts ACU managing partner Alex Copson that the Russian nuclear plan is "good to go" and "to put things in place". Copson tells associates that Flynn would ensure that sanctions against Russia are "ripped up" and that "this is going to make a lot of very wealthy people".
Jan. 22 — The WSJ reports that Flynn is under investigation by U.S. counterintelligence agents regarding his communications with Russian officials.
Jan. 24 — The FBI interviews Flynn regarding his Russian contacts.
Jan. 26 — Acting Attorney General Sally Yates informs the White House that Flynn misled the FBI in his interview, that the DOJ knew that Flynn’s public accounts were untrue, and expressed concerns that he was vulnerable to blackmail by Russian intelligence.
Jan. 30 — Trump fires Yates.
Feb. 13 — Flynn is forced out of his role as NSA after The Washington Post reports on Yates's warning to the Trump White House.
Feb. 14 — In a private conversation with FBI director Comey, Trump asks Comey to end any investigation into Flynn, stating “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
March 7 — Flynn files paperwork acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent representing the interests of the Turkish government.
March 22 — Trump asks Director of National Intelligence Coats to intervene with Comey to get the FBI to back off its focus on Flynn.
March 30 — Flynn tells the FBI and congressional officials that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for immunity from prosecution, with his lawyer stating that “General Flynn has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit”.
April 25 — Flynn tells associates, “I just got a message from the president to stay strong”.
April/May — Federal prosecutors issue grand jury subpoenas to Flynn associates seeking “records, research, contracts, bank records, communications” relating to Flynn and Alptekin.
May 9 — Trump fires Comey.
May 22 — A House committee reveals that Flynn lied to Pentagon investigators about the source of money he received from RT when applying for security clearance in 2016.
Flynn announces that he will not cooperate with a subpoena requiring him to hand over documents related to his dealings with Russians.
June 2 — Special Counsel Mueller assumes control of a grand jury investigation into Flynn.
August — Flynn files paperwork disclosing payments from SCL Group, a Virginia-based company related to Cambridge Analytica.
Dec. 1 — Flynn pleads guilty to willfully and knowingly lying to the FBI about his December 2016 conversations with Kislyak.
Dec. 4, 2018 — Mueller cites Flynn's "substantial" assistance with several criminal investigations when he recommends a sentence includes little to no jail time.
All of that. 19 interviews. "Lite sentence", he talked, and he talked big time.
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