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Old 12-05-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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...Feb. 11 — While applying for renewal of his security clearance, Flynn tells Pentagon investigators that he had received no income from foreign companies and had only “insubstantial contact” with foreign nationals.
In principle, that right there could be a violation of 18 USC 1001 - a felony.

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...July 18 — Flynn leads crowds at the Republican National Convention in chants of "Lock her up!", saying "if I did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today!".
And such level of hubris, almost straight out of a Sophocles play, is what makes it so difficult to be sympathetic with the defendant.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:27 PM
 
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thanks to Flynns_timeline for this, a heck of a recap:




All of that. 19 interviews. "Lite sentence", he talked, and he talked big time.
Lol. Thanks for that.

Hey Trump!! Drain the Swamp!!!, lol.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:49 PM
 
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Interesting point of view about the 2nd and third case that's still under investigation.

“It’s clear that there are three matters that Flynn is getting credit for helping with,” former White House ethics counsel Norman Eisen tells me. “One is collusion; no surprise there because of the contacts with Russia that he lied about. The other two were blacked out in the memo, but the second is likely the special counsel’s other main focus: obstruction.” He explains: “Remember, it was Trump’s request to [then-FBI Director James B.] Comey to ‘see his way clear’ to letting Flynn go, that triggered the obstruction investigation. Flynn may well have a great deal to say about why Trump was so desperate and much more about the elements of obstruction.”

But what about a third case, one that seems not to be under Mueller’s jurisdiction? Eisen says that one’s a “mystery.” He speculates that this might point to the Stormy Daniels campaign-finance case in the Southern District of New York, although we have seen “no previous indication of Flynn’s involvement in that.”

Alternatively, such a case might involve other financial matters. Remember that prosecutors in New York have the cooperation of longtime Trump organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg. It is possible that as a close confidant of the president who traveled with Trump during the campaign he would have some knowledge of Trump’s other financial dealings.
Another possible line of inquiry could concern Flynn’s work for Turkey. The sentencing memorandum spends considerable time on Flynn’s failure to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (“FARA”) with regard to something Mueller dubs the “Turkey project.” That appears to concern the deportation of Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, who resides in the United States and whom Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan blamed for instigating an attempted coup in 2016.

The document explains:

On election day in 2016, the defendant published an op-ed for the Turkey project that called for the removal of a cleric residing in the United States whom the President of Turkey blamed for the failed coup in that country. The cleric’s responsibility for the coup attempt was a subject of great debate, and the defendant’s op-ed about the cleric’s role was valuable to the Republic of Turkey’s efforts to shape public opinion. The defendant falsely represented in his FARA filings that the op-ed was written at his own initiative, as opposed to for the Turkey project and the Republic of Turkey, and thus again deprived the public of the very transparency FARA was designed to ensure. The defendant’s false statements impeded the ability of the public to learn about the Republic of Turkey’s efforts to influence public opinion about the failed coup, including its efforts to effectuate the removal of a person legally residing in the United States.

Flynn’s possible attempt to arrange Gulen’s deportation might have involved other government officials. Again, we simply do not know.

A mysterious third case need not involve Trump directly, to be certain. Flynn worked closely with Jared Kushner (historian Douglas Brinkley calls them a “dog and pony team”) on foreign policy issues during the transition, raising questions as to whether they violated the Logan Act. It is noteworthy that the sentencing document references Flynn’s “false statements to the FBI about his prior interactions with the Russian government in December 2016 concerning a pending United Nations Security Council resolution.” That resolution concerned Israeli settlements. (Reuters reported about a year ago: “In the hours before the vote by the 15-member United Nations Security Council on Dec. 23 [2016], Flynn also phoned the U.N. missions of Uruguay and Malaysia, and Kushner spoke with Kim Darroch, the British ambassador to the United States, according to diplomats familiar with the conversations, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The lobbying took place before Republican President Donald Trump, who was known for his pro-Israel campaign rhetoric, took office on Jan. 20.”)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.5364d8e1519d
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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thanks to Flynns_timeline for this, a heck of a recap:

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April 2014 — Flynn is fired as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency ("abusive with staff, didn't listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc." per Colin Powell).

Oct. 2014 — Flynn founds Flynn Intel Group. In a letter from the DIA, Flynn is warned that he is prohibited from receiving "consulting fees, gifts, travel expenses, honoraria, or salary ... from a foreign government unless congressional consent is first obtained".

Summer 2015 — Flynn is paid by ACU Strategic Partners to travel to the Middle East to promote a trillion-dollar Saudi-financed U.S.–Russian business to develop nuclear power capabilities in the Arab world. Flynn does not disclose this trip when applying for his security clearance renewal in Jan. 2016

Late Summer 2015 — Flynn begins advising the Trump campaign.

Aug. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from Volga-Dnepr Airlines, a Russian airfreight company that the U.N. had suspended from its list of approved vendors after a corruption scandal involving an indicted Russian U.N. official.

Oct. 2015 — Flynn receives a $15,000 speaking fee from a subsidiary Kaspersky Lab. Ruslan Stoyanov, head of Kaspersky's computer incidents investigation unit is arrested in Russia, for treason, in December 2016.

Flynn travels to Saudi Arabia to again promote the Saudi/Russian nuclear project. He fails to disclose the nature of the travel and reports a fictional hotel name as his residence during the trip.

Dec. 2 — Flynn and his son meet with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak at his Washington, D.C. residence. In a subsequent email to the Russian embassy, Flynn’s son described the meeting as “very productive”. The meeting came to light publicly only in April 2018.

Dec. 10 — Seated directly at Vladimir Putin's right hand, Flynn appears in Moscow at a gala hosted by Kremlin-controlled propaganda outlet Russia Today (RT). RT pays Flynn $45,000 for his participation and provides airfare, accommodations and other expenses for Flynn and his son.

U.S. intelligence notices an uptick in communication between Flynn and Kislyak shortly after.

Feb. 2016 — Flynn increases his role with the Trump campaign and is later vetted as a possible VP pick.

Feb. 11 — While applying for renewal of his security clearance, Flynn tells Pentagon investigators that he had received no income from foreign companies and had only “insubstantial contact” with foreign nationals.

May 2016 — Flynn joins the advisory board of OSY Technologies, part of the NSO Group, a secretive cyberweapons dealer founded by former Israeli intelligence officials. NSO's spyware is subsequently found to have been used to attack and surveil prominent journalists and human rights activists.

July 18 — Flynn leads crowds at the Republican National Convention in chants of "Lock her up!", saying "if I did a tenth of what she did, I would be in jail today!".

Aug. 9 — Flynn signs a contract with Inovo, a firm owned by Ekim Alptekin, a close ally and appointee of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Flynn is assigned to run an influence campaign to discredit Fethullah Gulen, a Turkish cleric who lives in Pennsylvania and was blamed by Erdogan for a failed coup.

Summer 2016 — Flynn Intel begins work on a pro-Turkey documentary, hiring professionals to shoot it, misleading them about the intentions of the project and working to conceal its role in producing the film.

Aug. 17 — Flynn begins attending classified intelligence briefings with candidate Trump.

Sept. 3 — Flynn and associates begin reaching out to Russian hackers in an attempt to obtain Clinton's personal e-mails and transmit them to Flynn through an intermediary.

Sept. 19 — Flynn meets with Turkey's ministers of foreign affairs and energy, Erdogan's son-in-law, and other officials at an undisclosed New York hotel, in a meeting arranged by Alptekin. Among other topics, Flynn discusses a plan for "a covert step in the dead of night to whisk [Gulen] away" without going through the legal extradition process.

Sept. 20 — Flynn, his son and business partners meet with Dana Rohrabacher, a U.S. congressman best known as a staunch advocate of pro-Russia policies.

Nov. 8 — Election day. Flynn publishes a lengthy op-ed entitled "Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support". He states that "we need to see the world from Turkey’s perspective" and brands Gulen as "a radical Islamist". Flynn does not disclose to the publisher that he was being paid by Alptekin.

Nov. 10 — Obama, in a face-to-face conversation with Trump, warns against hiring Flynn to be part of Trump's national security team.

Nov. 11 — Media reports expose Flynn's contract with Alptekin to lobby on behalf of Turkey.

Nov. 14 — Flynn receives the final installment of $530,000 from Alptekin.

Nov. 18 — Flynn accepts Trump's offer of the position of National Security Advisor. Pence receives a letter from Rep. Cummings notifying him of Flynn's work on behalf of Turkey.

Nov. 30 — The Justice Department notifies Flynn that it is scrutinizing his work lobbying on behalf of the Turkish government.

Nov./Dec. 2016 — Flynn meets with Austrian far-right leader Heinz-Christian Strache at Trump Tower. Strache announces weeks later that his party has signed a cooperation agreement with Vladimir Putin's ruling party.

Dec. 1 — Flynn meets with Russian ambassador Kislyak and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner at Trump Tower. The men discuss the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities to shield their discussions from monitoring.

Mid-Dec. — Flynn meets with the Turkish government to discuss an offer to pay him and his son as much as $15 million to kidnap Gulen and deliver him to a Turkish prison island.

Dec. 22 — Flynn secretly asks Kislyak for Russia's help to delay or defeat a pending UN Security Council resolution.

Dec. 29 — Flynn secretly discusses relief from U.S. sanctions with Kislyak on the same day the Obama administration announces its response to Russian interference in the campaign.

Jan. 4 — Flynn tells Trump’s transition team that he is under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for Turkey during the campaign.

Jan. 6 (approx.) — The FBI begins investigating Flynn's late December phone conversations with Kislyak.

Jan. 12 — Conforming to the wishes of Turkey, Flynn instructs the Obama administration to hold off on a military operation to retake the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa with Syrian Kurdish forces.

Jan. 18 — Flynn attends a “working breakfast” with the Foreign Minister of Turkey and others, including Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Jan. 20 — Trump is inaugurated. Flynn becomes National Security Advisor.

Eleven minutes into the Trump presidency, Flynn texts ACU managing partner Alex Copson that the Russian nuclear plan is "good to go" and "to put things in place". Copson tells associates that Flynn would ensure that sanctions against Russia are "ripped up" and that "this is going to make a lot of very wealthy people".

Jan. 22 — The WSJ reports that Flynn is under investigation by U.S. counterintelligence agents regarding his communications with Russian officials.

Jan. 24 — The FBI interviews Flynn regarding his Russian contacts.

Jan. 26 — Acting Attorney General Sally Yates informs the White House that Flynn misled the FBI in his interview, that the DOJ knew that Flynn’s public accounts were untrue, and expressed concerns that he was vulnerable to blackmail by Russian intelligence.

Jan. 30 — Trump fires Yates.

Feb. 13 — Flynn is forced out of his role as NSA after The Washington Post reports on Yates's warning to the Trump White House.

Feb. 14 — In a private conversation with FBI director Comey, Trump asks Comey to end any investigation into Flynn, stating “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

March 7 — Flynn files paperwork acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent representing the interests of the Turkish government.

March 22 — Trump asks Director of National Intelligence Coats to intervene with Comey to get the FBI to back off its focus on Flynn.

March 30 — Flynn tells the FBI and congressional officials that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for immunity from prosecution, with his lawyer stating that “General Flynn has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit”.

April 25 — Flynn tells associates, “I just got a message from the president to stay strong”.

April/May — Federal prosecutors issue grand jury subpoenas to Flynn associates seeking “records, research, contracts, bank records, communications” relating to Flynn and Alptekin.

May 9 — Trump fires Comey.

May 22 — A House committee reveals that Flynn lied to Pentagon investigators about the source of money he received from RT when applying for security clearance in 2016.

Flynn announces that he will not cooperate with a subpoena requiring him to hand over documents related to his dealings with Russians.

June 2 — Special Counsel Mueller assumes control of a grand jury investigation into Flynn.

August — Flynn files paperwork disclosing payments from SCL Group, a Virginia-based company related to Cambridge Analytica.

Dec. 1 — Flynn pleads guilty to willfully and knowingly lying to the FBI about his December 2016 conversations with Kislyak.

Dec. 4, 2018 — Mueller cites Flynn's "substantial" assistance with several criminal investigations when he recommends a sentence includes little to no jail time.
All of that. 19 interviews. "Lite sentence", he talked, and he talked big time.

Just a few "process errors". Nothing to see here, move along.






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Old 12-05-2018, 03:22 PM
 
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That isn't necessarily true. It is not good for whomever on the Trump campaign was involved in orchestrating interference with the Russians. Whether that does or does not include Trump himself remains to be seen. It very well might turn out that Flynn provided proof that Persons A, B and C conspired with the Russians but Trump was not one of them. Then again, it very well might turn out that the opposite is true.

In other words, think we can fairly infer from the filing that Flynn provided valuable and damaging information that can and will be used against wrongdoers who were working on the Trump campaign. I don't believe that we can infer from the filing that one of those wrongdoers was Trump.
Agree.
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Old 12-05-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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Nap is a Trump hater. What he says is garbage. There is a reason he's a pundit and not a judge anymore.
That's not true, he had praise for Trump the last 2 years and lives in one of Trumps buildings in Manhattan. Remember when he was suspended for claiming that Obama recorded Trumps phone calls according to his sources. Every Trump supporter is one statement away from a fall from grace. He criticized Trumps birth right EO and that was the end.


So now everything he says is garbage.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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Mark Meadows claims this is good news, Sean Hannity says Flynn is being mistreated.
Sure, lets ignore the redacted part like it doesn't exist, great news.


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Mark Meadows(R-N.C.) is characterizing special counsel Mueller's sentencing report on former national security adviser Michael Flynn as "good news for President Trump " because "there is no mention of collusion."
"I have looked at this report and, yes, everybody is going to focus on what has been redacted," the conservative lawmaker told Sean Hannity on Fox News late Tuesday. "Let’s look at what is not in there. There is no suggestion that Michael Flynn had anything to do with collusion. He was with the transition team. He was part of the campaign. And, yet, there is no mention of collusion."
"I think it’s good news for President Trump tonight that this is what has come down to," Meadows said. "Even though they said he substantially cooperated, I think he substantially cooperated to say that there was no collusion and we can look at it with that in mind."
possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Hannity, a staunch supporter of the president, called Mueller's treatment of Flynn "a sad and pathetic moment."
"This is how America’s going to treat a military hero?" Hannity asked during his opening monologue before the Meadows interview. "This is a sad and pathetic moment for not only the special counsel, but for the country."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...resident-trump
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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Mark Meadows claims this is good news, Sean Hannity says Flynn is being mistreated.
Sure, lets ignore the redacted part like it doesn't exist, great news.





https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...resident-trump
I'll bet Hannity didn't have a problem with Trump attacking Admiral McRaven, the navy seal who put together the team that got Osama bin Laden.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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I do want to call this comment out. Most of the stuff the rights been going on about is utter nonsense....except this. stburr91 is right to point this out. Right now nothing in the document calls out Trump as a bad guy. And Flynn could get a break for also helping clear him. Something I would be fine with. I want Mueller to get to the truth, no matter if I like it or not. Dont let your biases make you assume things. I could also be the other way where Flynn is helping find Trump guilty, but due to the redactions we do not know yet.
I agree. We can't jump to conclusions here. So far all we know for certain is that Flynn provided substantial information for Mueller's initial investigation as well as two other investigations that we know nothing about. There is no proof thus far that it impacts Trump in any way. I'll wait to see what comes of it.

But what is clear is that someone is probably in big trouble.
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Old 12-05-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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It means Flynn delivered. I read the document, and Mueller lays out some pretty damning commentary. That Flynn had a special duty to be honest about this, lays out that he helped Turkey, and more. Anyone reading this would look at it and say "How can only 6 months prison be OK?

But then there's 6 pages of redacted information, 19 interviews, documents provided, and mention that it caused others to flip.......and a recommendation of no time. NONE.

Flynn delivered. He flipped 100%, and held nothing back.
I hope it means we can impeach Trump and Pence at the same time.
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