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I think it’s very, very smart of Mueller to ask for zero time for Flynn. He’s trying to entice the others but hey, you can’t fix stupid. Trump surrounded himself with a bunch of mindless hacks.
Yep. Flynn was on the street trying to sell his story for a pardon in April, a month before Mueller came on the scene. He knew at that time where all the bodies were hidden and what his testimony would be worth. Zero jail time is his reward for being the first to step up to the plate. He testified knowing that both he and his son were headed straight to jail fior a very long time if he didn't play straight. Protecting his son alone is reason enough to believe whatever he told Bobby Three Sticks.
Considering that the other defendants are facing charges that could reap decades in the slammer, they could look at Flynn's zero jail time recommendation and weigh the options. My guess is that the scalkes are tipped in Mueller's favor.
Yep. Flynn was on the street trying to sell his story for a pardon in April, a month before Mueller came on the scene. He knew at that time where all the bodies were hidden and what his testimony would be worth. Zero jail time is his reward for being the first to step up to the plate. He testified knowing that both he and his son were headed straight to jail fior a very long time if he didn't play straight. Protecting his son alone is reason enough to believe whatever he told Bobby Three Sticks.
Considering that the other defendants are facing charges that could reap decades in the slammer, they could look at Flynn's zero jail time recommendation and weigh the options. My guess is that the scalkes are tipped in Mueller's favor.
I wonder what Manafort is think after hearing this.
Flynn would have received a maximum of 6 months in the pokey.... Mueller knew he didn't lie.....
And like Corsi, Stone and Manafort, he too would not bear false witness.
Maybe he just didn't want to be hassled. Maybe he's a pathological liar. Of course, we now know that the Trump campaign was being spied on and the call with the Russian ambassador was recorded, so the questioning was designed to be a perjury trap and Flynn just happened to walk right into it.
Another "weak person" like Michael Cohen. Seems like everyone Trump has hired is a "weak person" and a snitch. So much for only hiring the "best people".
I wonder what Manafort is think after hearing this.
Manafort, according to his daughter, has always considered himself to be the smartest man in the room.
He may have done what he did expecting a pardon (though it would not affect state charges against him). There was a point I would have said he may be more afraid of Russian agents with polonium pills than dying in a jail cell, but that theory got scrapped.
He still may be banking on a pardon. I hope he brought a book to read while he waits.
I agree with those who counsel that we shouldn't jump the gun and assume those other two redacted investigations have anything to do with Trump. Flynn was dirty well before Trump came on the scene, so the possibilities of what those investigations are about are many.
However, we do know for a fact from what was not redacted that one of the investigations Flynn helped Mueller with substantially was the ongoing Russian interference investigation, and that is definitely about Trump. So anyway you slice it, this was not good news for the president.
If he was sent to prison he would also have a felony record. You are saying having a felony record and not going to prison is worse than having a felony record and going to prison?
I meant that (1) prison-time is a small penalty, compared to getting a felony record; so, if Flynn ends up with a felony record, the fact that he'd be avoiding prison, is small consolation. (2) His plea-bargain, unlike say that of David Petraeus, does not exchange a felony for a misdemeanor. Were he to have gotten the misdemeanor instead, that would have indeed been a "sweet deal"... even if the misdemeanor were accompanied by a prison-term.
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There is always room at the table in DC for people like him. In DC having no conscience and doing anything for a buck are good qualities, he has them. He even got his son involved in this illegal stuff which is about as low as you can get.
While doubtless this happens occasionally, to regard this as being inevitable and automatic, seems to be overly optimistic to me. So many of these DC consulting jobs require a security clearance. Even if one personally never touches classified work, if the organization does anything of that nature, then likely getting a clearance is a condition of employment. Sure, there are post-conviction turnaround stories. Martha Stewart, whose conviction was probably unjust, is one such success story. Another is the Watergate figure John Dean. But the fact remains, that such convictions destroy lives - even if they don't result in jail-time.
Another figure mentioned in this thread is George Papadopoulos. He's a young fellow, barely in his 30s. In another such thread, when his example was brought up, the response was: "Don't worry! That guy can take care of himself". Maybe. Maybe he really is a slippery operator who can slide into/out-of anything. Maybe not. Flynn at least is in his 60s. He can declare that his career is complete, and retire. Likewise with Manafort. Jail is his biggest problem - not security clearances or future employment. For the younger guys - Papadopoulos, Alex van der Zwaan, Rick Gates - it's a different matter.
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Mueller Recommends a Light Sentence (No Prison Time) for Flynn
