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View Poll Results: Are you opposed to getting a flu shot?
Yes 94 38.06%
No 153 61.94%
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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The flu vaccine is a dead vaccine, so you were already going to get the flu.
Back in 76 it was not a dead vaccine like it now is. Getting sick after the shot was not uncommon. There can be reactions to the current vaccine but they are pretty rare.

 
Old 12-15-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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The headline which I read is that 40% of parents are saying they are not vaccinating their children. The Adult Vaccination rates for under 65 is around 40% of people are getting their flu shots which means approximately 60% of adults don't get vaccinated. The Senior rate is around 60% vaccinated. So, who are those 40% not getting vaccinated? Children or Seniors?

Ask the people on this thread whether they are Adults under or over 65% not getting flu shots.
 
Old 12-15-2018, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I find your comment ironic.

Just my personal opinion from my personal experience: the US of A has the worst spine care in the civilized world.

Spine care is dictated by our insurance companies. Our Spine care medical procedures are decades old but economically safe for the insurance companies. And I'd guess that other health-care is dictated by insurance companies.

Capitalism is based on supply and demand. There is no way to measure health-care demand in dollars, so it shouldn't be part of the capitalistic system.
You do not understand the US system, either. I do agree with your conclusion. You need to know the "for-profit" part of health care is the financing. Here are some threads where you can discuss this and not hijack this one.
How do you think the US healthcare should be structured?
What is the best US healthcare?
 
Old 12-15-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Back in 76 it was not a dead vaccine like it now is. Getting sick after the shot was not uncommon. There can be reactions to the current vaccine but they are pretty rare.
The 1976 flu vaccine was not live virus, even though some media still say that. I have no idea where that nonsense came from. Getting sick after the vaccine was no more common than getting sick from any other flu shot, IOW, people got colds, diarrhea, sore arm and achiness for 2 days and called it all the flu. It has never been established that the swine flu vaccine caused an excess of Guillain-Barre. Live virus flu vaccine was first used in the US in 2003. https://web.archive.org/web/20070929...med061703L.htm
 
Old 12-15-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It is important to not conflate vaccines for things like measles which are proven to be 90%+ effective with the flu vaccine. I have all of the standard vaccines and would of course get them for any of my children. I'm not anti-vaccine by any stretch.

However I usually don't bother with the flu vaccine because it has historically been effective less than 20% of the time. It's really a total guess. They have to guess which flu strain will be virulent in a given year months before they actually know so they have time to manufacture the vaccine.

I could see it maybe being worth it as a risk reduction measure for children, the elderly, or the immunocomprised, but for others it just seems like an unnecessary waste of time to me.
"I'm not anti-vaccine but. . . "

Here is a list of vaccine efficacy since 2004: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...ss-studies.htm
Note the range is from 10% (2004-05) to 60% (2010-11). The average is 40.9%. Most years it's around 50%. Do you know that seat belts are about 32% effective in preventing death? Why bother, by that reasoning?
Seat Belts - How Effective?

Waste of time? It takes about 10 minutes from start to finish, and here in Colorado, as in most states I believe, you can go to a pharmacy without an appointment. I can think of far bigger wastes of time, including posting here on CD.

Please see the link earlier in this thread about how strains are selected. Generally it's a pretty good fit with what is circulating.
 
Old 12-15-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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Walgreens sucks for lots of reasons I wont shop their at all but if you do don't touch the keypad in Walgreens when they order you to enter their unrewarding "rewards" card track you by phone number thing. Ask the cashier to enter the number.

People sneezing into their hands touching their nose when sick all putting fingers on that keypad Walgreens knows if they spread germs and flu that way they sell more stuff when more people get sick.

Yuck ! put your finger on that keypad where 1000 other people before you YUCK YUCK YUCK !
 
Old 12-15-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Walgreens sucks for lots of reasons I wont shop their at all but if you do don't touch the keypad in Walgreens when they order you to enter their unrewarding "rewards" card track you by phone number thing. Ask the cashier to enter the number.

People sneezing into their hands touching their nose when sick all putting fingers on that keypad Walgreens knows if they spread germs and flu that way they sell more stuff when more people get sick.

Yuck ! put your finger on that keypad where 1000 other people before you YUCK YUCK YUCK !
Use your first knuckle to push the keys and wash your hands or use hand sanitizer afterward. My pharmacy has a huge bottle of hand sanitizer right next to the keypad.
 
Old 12-15-2018, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Over 40 percent of Americans say no to flu vaccinations


So, over 40% of Americans refuse to get a flu shot.

I am one of those 40%. Why? Who knows what is in that shot? Also, it appears that it is just a mildly educated wild guess about what the next flu strain might be and that they usually gets it wrong.
I stupidly took it once and got the flu. I will never take it again.

The flu is not that big of a deal for relatively healthy persons, and the vaccine is often ineffective, because they're often clueless about which strain is prevalent, so it's just not worth the hassle or the time.
 
Old 12-15-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Capitalism is based on supply and demand. There is no way to measure health-care demand in dollars, so it shouldn't be part of the capitalistic system.
Oh, yes, there is a way to measure, and it's done all the time. The fact that you are clueless doesn't mean it can't be done.

Contrary to your totally false and erroneous assertion, Capitalism is not based on Supply & Demand.

Capitalism is one of three currently competing Property Theories, which opines that Capital is best left in the hands of private individuals, because they are more responsive to the needs of the Market.

History has proven that Socialist Property Theory, where Capital is controlled by government or non-governmental organizations like unions, trade groups and associations and the like, has failed or refused to respond, or responded too slowly to the needs of the Market.

Communist Property Theory has never been attempted, but given that a group or community of people are ignorant, uneducated, lacking knowledge and expertise about Capital and Markets would also fail miserably.

Every economic system that ever existed, including both currently competing economic systems, the Free Market System and the Command Economic System is subject to the Law of Supply & Demand, whether they want to be or not.

The fact that the Soviet Command Economic System did not produce blue jeans did not stop the Soviet people from demanding blue jeans. All it did was create a Black Market for blue jeans and many other items the Soviet people wanted, but couldn't get in their economy.

I traded half a dozen pairs of blue jeans to Soviet guards on the check-points between Germany and Berlin, and when I was a NATO observer on Druzba '86, I traded all my jeans, and my cassette player and music cassettes, plus a few other things to the Soviet officers I was with, because they wanted them, and they couldn't get those things in the Soviet Union.

When I was assigned to US Embassy Mission Bucharest, I traded a lot of stuff to Romanians, because they couldn't get those things, either.

The Law of Supply & Demand existed before economic systems and property theories existed.

That's one reason people migrated from place to place.
 
Old 12-15-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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I started getting them regularly when one of the kids in my class disclosed they had a sibling who had cystic fibrosis. I have been getting them most years because my mom is getting older and the flu could be dangerous for her but this year I couldn’t get them at the free clinic at work and haven’t made an appointment. I’ll probably get to it eventually.
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