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View Poll Results: Trump Supporter: What would you think if there is no border wall in 2020?
I would not care as long as President Trump told me it is no longer an issue 1 14.29%
I never supported the wall anyway- don't care 3 42.86%
I would be very angry that he was not able to build the wall 3 42.86%
I know nothing about a border wall 0 0%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-18-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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White House says it wants to avoid government shutdown, will find other ways to fund border wall

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...nl_most&wpmm=1.
Crowdfunding!

 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
Paywall.
Finally, you admit it. We paywall. Me Pay Wall. U PAY WALL. WE NO GET WALL.

But seriously, it's a few bucks per month for the WaPo and worthwhile....or at least worthwhile to subscribe to one or two actual real news orgs.

Look at that - #28 in the country...not bad. NY Times looks like the most popular, followed by USA Today and then the WaPo.

https://www.quantcast.com/top-sites/

More traffic than Apple...that's saying something.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Pelosi called his bluff and Trump folded.

It's his M.O.

An no, the new NAFTA, which is pretty much the same as the old NAFTA, is to going to pay for the wall.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by calipoppy View Post
Trump shouldn't have to find a way to fund the wall because Mexico is paying for it, right?

This again????
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Nothing would tie him to DC in the event of a shutdown.

His inner circle, security, entourage and pilots are all essential employees.

Congress gets paid during a shutdown. Congress usually votes to give furloughed employees back pay.
If Trump caused a shutdown and then went to Maralago to party, he would strongly resemble Nero fiddling while Rome burned. A little dramatic, but I'm fairly certain that is the take the country would have.

There will be no shutdown and no wall-funding blackmail.

Trump already has his tee times set, and the invites are out to the cronies and Fox.

There will be no shutdown and no wall funding to avoid a Trump shutdown. This is theater for the base.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
This again????
Yes, THIS again.

It was only one of the top 3 things he campaigned on, no?
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Town FFX View Post
Yes, THIS again.

It was only one of the top 3 things he campaigned on, no?
Here's the part you don't seem to get. No one care who pays for it. Just as long as it gets built. In fact, I've already offered to pay double my share to cover a democrat in opposition.
 
Old 12-18-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by kimchee View Post
PUH-leaze! Love how you spin it like you're the adult in the room.

Just admit it, Trump wants a wall so he can call it the Trump Wall and leave behind his mark in America from sea to shining sea.

Well he ain't having it! And that cost effective argument is absurd! There are more cost effective ways of preventing illegals from coming to the country - try better interior enforcement to avoid more visa overstays or increasing the # of immigration courts to handle over 700K cases in the backlog!

A wall is absolutely NOT cost effective but it seems to be the only thing Trumpsters understand because it's not an idea, concept or policy but something tangible.

Unbelievable that you lefty liberals are still spouting this nonsense in here day after day after day. I have provided many links proving how the good walls do work and no, there is not better way to deter illegal entry than by a wall. The wall isn't about visa over stayers, duh. However, that problem needs to be addressed also. Even the DHS has said that they need the walls so the Border Patrol can do their jobs more effectively. Do you know better than them?


I have also asked why you guys would want to continue to pay the over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us rather than a one time cost of $25 billion for the wall. That's not being cost effective?


Of course we need more interior enforcement but what has that to do with securing our border to prevent more illegals from getting in. Better to deter them at the border than to allow them to get in here where they are much harder to weed out and more expensive to do so.


What a ridiculous thing to say that Trump just wants a wall for the stupid reasons you are citing. It's not a wall from sea to shining see anyway. It's a 700 mile long wall that congress already approved in 2006. Did they want the so-called notoriety also? And finally calling us Trumpsters is not only juvenile but insulting. Grow up!


https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work

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Old 12-18-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Unbelievable that you lefty liberals are still spouting this nonsense in here day after day after day. I have provided many links proving how the good walls do work and no, there is not better way to deter illegal entry than by a wall. The wall isn't about visa over stayers, duh. However, that problem needs to be addressed also. Even the DHS has said that they need the walls so the Border Patrol can do their jobs more effectively. Do you know better than them?

I have also asked why you guys would want to continue to pay the over $100 billion a year that illegals cost us rather than a one time cost of $25 billion for the wall. That's not being cost effective?

Of course we need more interior enforcement but what has that to do with securing our border to preve more illegals from getting in.

What a ridiculous thing to say that Trump just wants a wall for the stupid reasons you are citing. It's not a wall from sea to shining see anyway. It's a 700 mile long wall that congress already approved in 2006. Did they want the so-called notoriety also? And finally calling us Trumpsters is not only juvenile but insulting. Grow up!

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
Blame Congress. Republicans controlled it till the last mid-term election. Why didn't Trump get it then. Now he says he will after losing the House .... makes no sense as to appeal to his base.

With all this Winning for Trump these days. Or is he ......
 
Old 12-18-2018, 06:12 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
This again????

Well Trump has only said it 50 million times



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAH5RRNBoA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yfIxBjOw3o



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOhXeHDIa0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEW2f-39AUQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSAhNZnisk
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