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I am not really defending the guy. Yes, he could have probably deescalated the encounter and complied. If you get robbed or mugged on the street.....its also a good ideal to just comply and give up your cash and not try to resist. However, some peoples dignity is so strong that they don't.....and they fight and resist....and get shot. Sometimes even if you don't resist and give people what they want, they shoot you anyway.
Sometimes people are just not in the mood to acquiesce to being robbed of their possessions, whether it be money or dignity.
Complied? You compare being asked to show his room key to a mugging? Dignity? Why didn't he just go to his room and use the phone there?
He wanted to be awkward, and decided he was being racially abused. He was arrogant and full of himself, and got loud and obnoxious. The police should have escorted him out in the street, and the hotel should have thrown his hotel room fee at him on the way out.
Complied? You compare being asked to show his room key to a mugging? Dignity? Why didn't he just go to his room and use the phone there?
He wanted to be awkward, and decided he was being racially abused. He was arrogant and full of himself, and got loud and obnoxious. The police should have escorted him out in the street, and the hotel should have thrown his hotel room fee at him on the way out.
Yes, racism robs people of their dignity. Its a mugging. However, I do not KNOW that the security guard was motivated by race. I don't want to have to constantly prove that I belong somewhere.....as a black person. I have a problem with that, as a black person, whether you as a white person has a problem with it or not. Its an affront to my liberty and dignity, especially when you try to back it with police action.
Yes, racism robs people of their dignity. Its a mugging. However, I do not KNOW that the security guard was motivated by race. I don't want to have to constantly prove that I belong somewhere.....as a black person. I have a problem with that, as a black person, whether you as a white person has a problem with it or not. Its an affront to my liberty and dignity, especially when you try to back it with police action.
You're giving me a headache with your efforts to always be affronted. It's in every one of your posts. You're black? Who knew......
Well...the system is pretty strict about what kind of information can be brought up at trial. Especially about prior bad acts, or behavior some might judge to be offensive behavior or common behavior or ill mannered behavior. Those are almost always inadmissable.
First of all, this isn't going to trial - Massey will settle out of court for a large sum and he and his attorneys will go deposit this money into their accounts. This is being played out in the kangaroo court of personal opinion.
But I get what you're saying. That being said, there's nothing wrong with trying to understand the surrounding factors - from his demeanor (which WOULD be admissible in court) to the words and actions by himself and others that are not on video (also admissible in court), and his ongoing hobby of videotaping other interactions that he deems as offensive (nearly certainly admissible in court). These are the things in question, and there's nothing wrong with questioning them and digging for answers.
You're giving me a headache with your efforts to always be affronted. It's in every one of your posts. You're black? Who knew......
There is no effort. Like I said before, if your shoulder is not bruised, someone touching it might not cause you an issue as it would touching a persons who shoulder is bruised. Racism bruised black people to the degree that we are sensitive about it. Stop trying to compare it with people who should not be sensitive because they have not been bruised racially.
You're giving me a headache with your efforts to always be affronted. It's in every one of your posts. You're black? Who knew......
I'm white and I have no problem with what that poster is posting. I've posted this before.
I used to work with an older black man. He would do things to prod people on occasion. He was heavily involved with the NAACP and would get a notification when a local larger business was hiring. I once asked him to give me a heads up and he told me I had to be a member of the NAACP. I said "sign me up". LOL He gave me the info.
He admitted to me he was racists and I told him that being racist only did more harm and that he needed to get past it. He then told me this story. His daughter integrated the local school system. She was in elementary school at the time. (It was true, she did). He said he would go to the school at lunch every day to sit with his daughter as no one else would. That he would hear the names the other kids called her (we can imagine). He said that was something he would never be able to get over but that he hoped for future generations it was something we would no longer deal with.
Having kids myself I couldn't even imagine that. I understood. He told me other stories but that was enough.
Blacks see a black man get pulled over because of his "wide set nose" and gets shot and killed and nothing happens to the one that did it but see many make excuses for that. We are not where my friend had hoped we would be by now.
First of all, this isn't going to trial - Massey will settle out of court for a large sum and he and his attorneys will go deposit this money into their accounts. This is being played out in the kangaroo court of personal opinion.
But I get what you're saying. That being said, there's nothing wrong with trying to understand the surrounding factors - from his demeanor (which WOULD be admissible in court) to the words and actions by himself and others that are not on video (also admissible in court), and his ongoing hobby of videotaping other interactions that he deems as offensive (nearly certainly admissible in court). These are the things in question, and there's nothing wrong with questioning them and digging for answers.
If the hotel had any guts, they'd fight against a settlement out of court. Depends on what the police have to say about his behaviour. He was only asked to show his room key, to prove residency. Him being black should have nothing to do with it, but it will of course.
I am sure he is not the hotel's first black guest......... As you say Kathryn, we don't know what happened before this guy started recording. If the police confirm he was loud and obnoxious, then the hotel would be within their rights to ask him to leave.
But, they will probably settle out of court, and this guy will get a tidy sum. Nice work when you can get it.
Agreed. Hire stupid employees....get stupid results.
That being said, if it's Cletus the redneck in a hotel lobby getting the boot, it never gets elevated to national news. Just like the KC serial killer that racially targeted victims.....just not interesting enough for ratings. We've seen this happen with bad police shootings too. Hispanic cop shooting black guy and the story just doesn't get promoted or have any staying power.
Because it doesn't attract the ratings. Pure and simple capitalism driven reporting.
Hey, we had a tragic situation locally where several minority police officers were involved in the death of a tiny, 17 year old girl who had no prior arrest record. She happened to be white. Does anyone remember her name? She was Kristiana Coignard. The officers who killed her were cleared of wrongdoing. There were no riots in the streets, there was no civil unrest, no claims of racism. You can google her name and watch the entire 45 minutes of her interaction with the police and reach your own conclusions, but the fact is that three year later, she's dead, and the police officers are still working.
Where do we draw the line at behavior and demeanor and personal responsibility for those things? When do we stop making excuses and start applying basic standards for EVERYONE regardless of the color of their skin? Isn't that one of the most basic tenets of equality?
I know that when I stay at a hotel I rarely remember the exact room number I'm staying in. Usually it's written on the card holder and I rely on that. Should he have known his room number and just recited it when asked? It's rude to be questioned on such things.
He should have just pulled out his room key, or given the guard his name, and the whole thing could have been nipped in the bud. But he didn't do that.
Maybe....but the things is....unless the story is about YOU, how would you ever know what the REAL story is? What you probably mean to say is that you will never get what YOU think is the REAL story.
I’m guessing an activist group found a tendency of the hotel security to check on lobby squatters so they sent one of their resident pot stirrers to entrap these people who were just trying to do their jobs.
So this pathetic victory means nothing. This turd will get some money and the people fired will end up with better jobs.
Congrats on the big victory that no one cares about really.
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We've seen this happen with bad police shootings too. Hispanic cop shooting black guy and the story just doesn't get promoted or have any staying power.