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You don't avoid answering a question by asking one. Tell us what the conservative solutions to homelessness are. You mentioned criminalizing drug use, I'm still waiting to see the list of states in which drug use is a crime.
All we want are existing laws enforced.
For example, if I walked out in the street right now, dropped my pants and took a crap, I would be in serious trouble. All people should have to abide by the same rules. Period.
For example, if I walked out in the street right now, dropped my pants and took a crap, I would be in serious trouble. All people should have to abide by the same rules. Period.
And you will be in trouble if you do that in a liberal city too. But tell me this, how likely is it that a person will continue going potty when they see a cop pulling over? And how will the cop catch him/her once they run away? You are asking that the impossible be accomplished. You don't want people to crap on the sidewalk then build more public restrooms, San Francisco has had a shortage of public restrooms since I was a little kid and that was a very long time ago. You don't want them to sleep on the sidewalk then we need to at least give them a clean cot and a safe place to sleep.
The problem is the same all over, it's just exacerbated in expensive parts of the US. There are fewer homeless in West Virginia or Kentucky because you can find a single wide to rent for $150 a month and two people panhandling can probably make that kind of rent. Look at Phoenix, they are very 'tough on crime' and their homeless issues continue to get worse as housing prices increase.
It's not a liberal or conservative issue, it's a problem with rent rising faster than wages and far faster than COL raises in pensions. Every day more and more people are without a place to live. You can hate on the homeless all you want but it won't fix this.
We've gotten to a place of being too permissive and allowing the nutters to make the rules. Basic common sense stuff seems to have gone out the window.
I've not really got the time to address most of the comments lodged in this thread since I left it yesterday, but no doubt it is a waste of time to address comments that begin with the sort of rhetoric, logic and conclusion you are so quick to throw out there, so I'll quickly move on to something a bit more mentally higher ground...
I get what your saying to a degree. We all turn into the "get off my lawn" guy as we get older, but jeez. It's beyond simply growing pains. It's inhumane to let people languish on the streets and many of those people have mental issues as well.
We need to take back control and put in some basic standards of conduct. We've gone too far into this don't judge mentality and allowing standards to fall so low.
I only wish it were as simple as you suggest, but the fact is there have been many different ways the homeless problem has been addressed, from nothing to all else under the Sun. Not sure it's a question of judgement or lower standards in any case...
We might all similarly judge someone as "off their rocker" when we see him walking down the sidewalk shouting at demons and no doubt none of us has standards that would deem that altogether okay. We all agree. Okay. Now the real question. What to do about him?
Here’s the Lib principals that create the problem:
1) Its a basic human right to live wherever you want regardless of the cost of living. If you cannot afford a home in a high cost area, one should be provided at a price you can afford and free if necessary.
2) Vagrants should not be clustered in low cost, undesirable areas if this is where the vagrants do not want to live. Vagrants need to be distributed throughout middle and upper class residential areas. Exposing the vagrants to the finer things in life will help them rejoin society as a productive person.
3) Drug addiction is a disability that happens to victims
4) Most addicts can be saved and turned back into normal, productive people.
5) Most vagrants are good people who want to work and are just “down on their luck”
Until Liberals understand this is absolute garbage, progress will never be made and the problem will only get worse.
You cannot bear to face this reality, so arguing with you is a total waste of time.
I’ll say it again....eventually the problem will get so bad that most everyone will be totally fed up with it and the laws will get changed to deal with it.
Its basic common sense that expensive liberal ideas are not solving the problem.
First, please, don't try to project your version of what others believe, especially when you don't seem to have a clue...
Right. When did that stop anyone from going on about what they really don't understand? Or is that perhaps a similarly fair conservative "principal?" Know not what you go on about.
1) Learn what are human rights. What you describe is not listed. (Also please reference some source other than your own opinion). Be informed.
2) Regardless how you want to argue the various ways to describe a vagrant, an addict, a disabled person, a homeless person, liberal thinking, etc., the question remains. What to do about the problems of homelessness, drug addiction and related health, safety and civil rights issues?
Until conservatives choose to be productive with respect to what actually makes sense, they simply become part of the problem that the rest of us are forced to contend with. Beyond the nonsense you seem awfully proud to go on about, the important reality to recognize is that unless you want to round up "undesirables" and do with them something like the Nazis decided to do, the question again remains, what public policy(s) make the most sense for all concerned?
Yesterday I gave an example of an actual ANSWER or effort to attempt better than just do-nothing lost-cause rhetoric. Takes some brain cells I know, but surely it isn't just liberals who have the brain cells to devote. Is it?
Reservations were good enough for the Indians, so they're good enough for the "homeless."
Anyone who is "homeless" is by definition incompetent.
Because competent people are able to maintain living spaces and work and function and whatever else they need to do.
Since the "homeless" have proven they're incompetent, declare them to be wards of the State and send them off to a reservation.
My understanding is that back in the 80's the ACLU fought to over turn laws regarding competency and being able to put people into rehab/mental intuitions and budget cuts and a few other things contributed to all of the hospitals getting closed and people that shouldn't be on the streets getting thrown out.
I don't have all of the details but that was the rough picture as I have heard, particularly here in Ca. I do feel bad for some of these people but we also can't live in a society where drug use and taking dumps on the sidewalk with basically people camping out on the streets, we can't live like that either. It isn't fair to the average taxpayer in addition to being inhumane to these people.
There's got to be some basic solution here. There just isn't any political will and until people stand up and really get on this it's just going to get worse.
This situation will have to get so bad that the majority of our population gets fed up with it and turns on the Democrat party.
I expect this will take at least 10-15 years for the situation to get bad enough for the average leftist to decide they’ve had enough.
Only then can we build the detention camps, mental care facilities, and prisons that will be required to get the situation under control.
There is where you are wrong. A leftist will never give up and admit they were wrong; they will insist that the problem was caused by conservative obstruction (even though there are no conservatives in SF) and will move somewhere else and destroy that city.
Of course no one said any of that nonsense ^ but out of curiosity - give us the 'conservative answer' to homelessness, I'd love to see the details...
It's pretty simple.
When you have strays, stop feeding them.
Make foodstamp participation dependent upon having a physical address and shut down the food banks/ soup kitchens.
Set up feeding locations and allow tent cities in remote areas within bus/walking distance of the metro areas and provide free food/water and some form of shelter there. Allow drug use to be legal in those areas as well. Church groups and libs can feel good about themselves by taking field trips to the homeless camps and "helping" there periodically, then return to the safety of their clean town.
The homeless will go to where:
they are not arrested
can have free food and water
can use their drugs without being arrested
can crap anywhere they want without concern
Vagrants and "bums" used to be driven out of towns and they used to live in "hobo camps" away from the general population. The mentally ill used to be housed in long term care/mental hospitals. That is why you used to not have a "homeless problem". When I was a kid, there were "hobo camps" at points along the railroads where they lived, usually near a water source as well.
Libs, out of "sympathy" thought it was wrong to drive vagrants from their cities and stopped having them driven out or "escorted to the edge of town". Libs helped to shut down mental hospitals and "mainstream" the mentally ill.
Most problems in society can be traced to liberalism, which is always wrong.
Reservations.
Reservations were good enough for the Indians, so they're good enough for the "homeless."
anyone who is "homeless" is by definition incompetent.
Because competent people are able to maintain living spaces and work and function and whatever else they need to do.
Since the "homeless" have proven they're incompetent, declare them to be wards of the State and send them off to a reservation.
Dream on...
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