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May I ask why? Why would you still wear a mask? I’m not trying to be sarcastic or push your buttons but I truly think people have developed some kind of mental hangup about masks.
If the vaccine works (and I believe it does) And you’re vaccinated, there is no logical reason for you to still be wearing a mask exposing your lungs to dirty, carbon monoxide filled bacteria air that is proven to be harsh to your lungs long-term. Take the mask off and live a little buddy. LOL
I can answer that question:
1) Complying to party lines.
2) Virtue signalling.
3) Displaying party affiliation; similar to red armbands eighty years ago.
4) Mental conditioning, as demonstrated by Pavlov years ago.
5) Assuming the "vaccine" is effective, ignoring that it is effective.
Interesting how many on this thread prefer to take their chances with getting infected by an unpredictable virus that can have devastating and long-lasting consequences that may well come out of a Chinese lab. Not saying that everyone should much less has to vaccinate against it. Its reasonable for folks to do their own cost-benefit analysis.
I just suspect some may feel differently if the virus mutates in a particularly problematic manner or if more of the population - particularly in hard hit western societies - had not vaccinated depressing disease spread.
As someone put it: all we needed - not !!! - was for the highly infectious SARS-CoV2 to have been as lethal as the less infectious SARS-Cov1. What a mess that would have been.
Whatever anything thinks about how we assess and possibly improve on the new vaccine technologies, it's a positive that we have a sophisticated biomedical scientific community to respond to what could come next - either from some laboratory or good old Mother Nature as new diseases arise when an expanding world population invades more viral habitats.
And yet we have clinical and real world data that shows that the vaccines reduce infection, serious infection and death by a significant percentage. This cannot be disputed.
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Where are the placebo groups for comparison?
Oh, right. Moderna vaccinated 98% of their placebo group. The other manufacturers *refused to comment* on their placebo groups vaccination status.
This cannot be disputed.
There will never be accurate follow-up date. Especially since they stopped counting reinfections in the vaccinated.
Right. The vast majority of participants in the placebo groups decided to be umasked then chose to be vaccinated. That trials end early is not unprecedented when the drug or in this case a vaccine appears so effective its unethical to withhold it.
Real world studies are not a perfect substitute but from them inferences can be made. For example, the UK and Israel unrolled their vaccine programs methodically prioritizing on age (along with HCWs). Studies examined differences in infection rates for the age cohorts. The results supported what Diesel says.
NPR has a good article addressing this:
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Dr. Steven Goodman, a clinical trials specialist at Stanford University, says losing those control groups makes it more difficult to answer some important questions about COVID-19 vaccines.
"We don't know how long protections lasts," he says. "We don't know efficacy against variants — for which we definitely need a good control arm — and we also don't know if there are any differences in any of these parameters by age or race or infirmity."
Scientists may be able to infer some of this, for example if it becomes evident that vaccinated people commonly fall ill after exposure to virus variants. Further safety information is also being collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as the FDA, based on the experience of millions of people who have now taken the shots.
But clinical trials that include a placebo group are the surest and most definitive ways to gather information about vaccine effectiveness. "I think over time we'll get that data," Fierro says, even without a placebo group. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...getting-immuni
The only comment that I would make is that even clinical trials of 40,000 (Pfizer) or 30,000 (Moderna) may not be large enough to capture highly unusual events like the blood clot issue. Which is why, of course, the FDA continues to monitor even fully approved medications or vaccines.
While this is great, it doesn't apply to all groups of people. For instance, my friends with kidney or other organ transplants are reporting that their transplant teams find that anti-rejection drugs make the vaccine fairly ineffective for them. My oncologist is concerned that vaccines are less effective for people with my type of blood cancer, though that's currently being studied. I have been recommended to switch to wearing N95s in settings with unvaccinated people, though we still have a mask mandate here until tomorrow.
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I’m still wondering why my unvaccinated family hasn’t gotten covid yet. We’ve had at least two confirmed exposures both involving a family member being in prolonged, close contact indoors with a covid positive person or people.
You're lucky. Before the vaccine, 2 unvaccinated members of my family died. So did 5 coworkers (in their 50s), and one ex boyfriend (in his 30s).
Four of my cousins - a grocery worker, a nurse, a firefighter, and a teacher - got COVID despite isolating outside of work. 2 had cases that were considered "mild" but still kept them out of work for 2-3 weeks. 1 was hospitalized due to breathing issues briefly, and is a year past and isn't able to smell and still has a lingering cough and reduced lung capacity. All of my cousins are under 35.
Maybe your family has something that genetically predisposes them to be less likely to catch it?
Spike protein injections mean unintended future consequences. They bind tighter to the brain and reproductive organs than the spikes from the disease itself.
Scientists are already working on ending these experimental jabs.
Why anyone would want their body injected with spike proteins is strange imo.
“In recent months, though, it’s become clear that the coronavirus is a slippery, shape-shifting foe—and spike appears to be one of its most malleable traits. Eventually, our first generation of spike-centric vaccines will likely become obsolete. To get ahead of that inevitability, several companies are already looking to develop new vaccine formulations packed with additional bits of the coronavirus, ushering in an end to our monogamous affair with spike.” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...-covid/618954/
Here's the latest research of COVID 19 and Myocarditis in young adults:
Findings In this cohort study of 1597 US competitive collegiate athletes undergoing comprehensive cardiovascular testing, the prevalence of clinical myocarditis based on a symptom-based screening strategy was only 0.31%. Screening with cardiovascular magnetic resonance imaging increased the prevalence of clinical and subclinical myocarditis by a factor of 7.4 to 2.3%.
How relevant are the outcomes of college athletes to the under 30 population as a whole? They are finding one in 3,000 in Israel. It's extra morbidity; meaning above what the random rate of myocarditis in people under 30 is.
Yes, it's in Hebrew but Twitter has a translate function. I'm afraid American news won't publish it.
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Interesting how many on this thread prefer to take their chances with getting infected by an unpredictable virus that can have devastating and long-lasting consequences that may well come out of a Chinese lab. Not saying that everyone should much less has to vaccinate against it. Its reasonable for folks to do their own cost-benefit analysis.
I just suspect some may feel differently if the virus mutates in a particularly problematic manner or if more of the population - particularly in hard hit western societies - had not vaccinated depressing disease spread.
I'm worried about Antibody Dependant Enhancement. I'm also worried about protein (prion) transmission from the vaccinated. The reports of abnormal menstrual cycles in the unvaccinated after contact with the vaccinated is concerning. The deaths of breast-fed babies after nursing from a recently vaccinated mom are concerning. My oldest daughter went unresponsive with a yet to be diagnosed cardiac event 4 days after her 2nd dose & was taken to the ER in an ambulance. My younger daughter had 2 days of arrhythmia after her first moderna. My dad had a heart attack after being around my oldest vaccinated daughter for a week. My youngest son's classroom missed 34 days of school due to cases in vaccinated people.
The first year with covid but before the vaccines consisted of my oldest daughter, my dad, myself & two of my son's having very uneventful covid cases & my son's class missing only 5 days of school. It's a no-brainer for me at this point. It's been awful since the vaccinations began.
The likelihood is high that the WAY the virus came in to the population was via test subjects who were exposed to a vaccine derived virus. We are trying to vaccinate against a vaccine-derived virus. I only see things getting worse after the initial 'honeymoon phase' of vaccines; this brief relief from high case rates. I'm worried about October & I'd rather take my chances without the vaccine.
How relevant are the outcomes of college athletes to the under 30 population as a whole? They are finding one in 3,000 in Israel. It's extra morbidity; meaning above what the random rate of myocarditis in people under 30 is.
Yes, it's in Hebrew but Twitter has a translate function. I'm afraid American news won't publish it.
I'm worried about Antibody Dependant Enhancement. I'm also worried about protein (prion) transmission from the vaccinated. The reports of abnormal menstrual cycles in the unvaccinated after contact with the vaccinated is concerning. The deaths of breast-fed babies after nursing from a recently vaccinated mom are concerning. My oldest daughter went unresponsive with a yet to be diagnosed cardiac event 4 days after her 2nd dose & was taken to the ER in an ambulance. My younger daughter had 2 days of arrhythmia after her first moderna. My dad had a heart attack after being around my oldest vaccinated daughter for a week. My youngest son's classroom missed 34 days of school due to cases in vaccinated people.
The first year with covid but before the vaccines consisted of my oldest daughter, my dad, myself & two of my son's having very uneventful covid cases & my son's class missing only 5 days of school. It's a no-brainer for me at this point. It's been awful since the vaccinations began.
The likelihood is high that the WAY the virus came in to the population was via test subjects who were exposed to a vaccine derived virus. We are trying to vaccinate against a vaccine-derived virus. I only see things getting worse after the initial 'honeymoon phase' of vaccines; this brief relief from high case rates. I'm worried about October & I'd rather take my chances without the vaccine.
Wishing your family a speedy recovery!
Can you share with me some of those vax issues with new mothers breastfreeding? I'm lucky my partner does not want the vax but she started to slip a little until I gave her the reports of placenta attacks due to the covid vax.
And it's going to get worse in October. They are going to let people have a fun summer before locking it down even worse come the fall.
Spike protein injections mean unintended future consequences. They bind tighter to the brain and reproductive organs than the spikes from the disease itself. Scientists are already working on ending these experimental jabs. Why anyone would want their body injected with spike proteins is strange imo.
“In recent months, though, it’s become clear that the coronavirus is a slippery, shape-shifting foe—and spike appears to be one of its most malleable traits. Eventually, our first generation of spike-centric vaccines will likely become obsolete. To get ahead of that inevitability, several companies are already looking to develop new vaccine formulations packed with additional bits of the coronavirus, ushering in an end to our monogamous affair with spike.” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...-covid/618954/
Scientists are continuing to work on covid vaccines, developing new approaches. Not ending jabs. The Atlantic article you cited says nothing that's relevant to your lead sentence: Spike protein injections mean unintended future consequences. They bind tighter to the brain and reproductive organs than the spikes from the disease itself.
That's YOUR thought. The jist of the Atlantic article is that scientists are concerned the virus could mutate in ways that the spike alone can't handle and that spike-centric vaccines will become obsolete. Even so ...
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To be clear, setting our sights on spike has served us well. The vaccines we’ve built against the coronavirus continue to be astoundingly effective shields against disease largely because the protein is such an excellent teaching tool for an immune system that’s readying itself to duel. Spike, which helps the virus unlock and enter human cells, is one of the pathogen’s most salient and dangerous features, certainly among the first that will be spotted by immune cells and molecules on patrol.
Interestingly the article goes on to talk about how second generation vaccines might better utilize the T-cell defenses that were also discussed in new studies out this week measuring the impact vaccination has on those previously infected.
You mean there's 5-year follow-up data that includes the placebo groups?
Just give me the title. I'll find it myself.
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