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Old 05-27-2021, 04:13 PM
 
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The vaccines work "for now" is the best you can say because no one knows how this will morph or what it will turn into in the future or what long term side effects either the vaccine or having had the virus will do....5-10 years down the road is what long term data will provide.
Once again, you provide ZERO evidence as to why we should be concerned about long term risk. You cant just say "it's new, we don't know it's safe", because we do know that it's safe. We know it's safe because nearly a half billion people are fully vaccinated. We know it's safe because the ingredients are known, safe, and unremarkable.

You have no basis to doubt the long term safety. Show me something.

 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:15 PM
 
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It means it's been found to be safe and extremely effective.
Try again.
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:16 PM
 
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You have no basis to doubt the long term safety. Show me something.
lol, no kid. We gotta show you nothing. Everyone is making up their mind on this thing, and they owe no explanation, except go get ... {CD bleep }
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:16 PM
 
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The CDC estimates something like 120 million Americans had COVID19, with 34 million confirmed cases. Most didn't even know they had anything.

I'm not talking about safety, if you had the vaccine already, you're probably fine. I'm talking about if it will work. Bottom line, each amino acid shift on that spike protein, and efficacy of these vaccines is dropping like a bowling bowl. Pfizer 1 dose is worthless against the Indian variant, and 2 doses just buys you 80%. A couple more amino acid shifts, and you will be getting yearly boosters.

And I will be laughing my a$$ off. Now you guys gotta just get a yearly booster to stay healthy.
That's the best you got? JUST 80%? The flu shot is around 50% effective. 80% is miraculous in comparison.

And if it turns out you need an annual shot, like, um, the flu shot, that doesn't seem so bad.
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:17 PM
 
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That's the best you got? JUST 80%? The flu shot is around 50% effective. 80% is miraculous in comparison.

And if it turns out you need an annual shot, like, um, the flu shot, that doesn't seem so bad.
Well, count me out. You have your fun getting your shots, like a pet dog.

The flu shot doesn't work, so it ain't a great benchmark.
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:20 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Once again, you provide ZERO evidence as to why we should be concerned about long term risk. You cant just say "it's new, we don't know it's safe", because we do know that it's safe. We know it's safe because nearly a half billion people are fully vaccinated. We know it's safe because the ingredients are known, safe, and unremarkable.

You have no basis to doubt the long term safety. Show me something.
And you have no evidence that it IS safe long term. Nobody does. That is why the manufacturers have disavowed themselves from any future lawsuits. Why do you think they would do that? Because they know it's safe? No. Makes no sense. If they knew it was safe, they wouldn't have denied responsibility for their product's potential risks.

You are predicting a flip of a coin. Exactly what I am doing. I choose tails. You choose heads. Just don't pretend that there is any real evidence either way for long term safety. Because there is none. Just like the developers themselves make clear.

Russian roulette is also perfectly safe. 83.3% of the times it is played. Still not a gamble I'm willing to take.

Last edited by ChrisC; 05-27-2021 at 04:52 PM..
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:20 PM
 
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Then there's this study: https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/ryct.2021200628

That examined cardiac MRI findings in participants with (1) covid and suspected acute myocarditis and (2) non-covid myocarditis along with (3) healthy volunteers. Anyhow they found a different "pathomechanism of myocardial inflammation injury" in patients with SARS-CoV-2 that suggested "an interplay of different broad affections of the cardiovascular system."

More: "A total of 38% (three of eight) of participants with COVID-19 had severe wall-motion abnormalities consistent with patterns of stress-induced cardiomyopathy."

I don't really have a point other than this is complicated. Patients reporting clinical symptoms and resulting studies are not necessarily "scare tactics going around out there to promote the vaccine."

My including the comment on patients presenting with "stress-induced" cardiomyopathy (or broken-heart syndrome) doesn't mean I believe patients brought the finding on themselves by stressing too much when they developed covid. Or that patients with Long Covid (presenting with clinical symptoms) don't have a real syndrome.

I dunno.
Interesting.
There are so many studies out there that anyone can find a study or doctor's opinion to back up their personal agenda. It's getting ridiculous. It's a "time-will-tell" unprecedented event, with an unprecedented vaccination campaign that seems like a bizarre money-making marketing campaign.


The silencing of differing scientific opinions and studies is a stain on the scientific community, and Fauci's denial of funding Wuhan is damaging. To think that Americans funded the pandemic that was unleashed on us is mind boggling.
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Does the vax work or doesnt it? You seem confused.
About many things.
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by midnight_thunder View Post
Once again, you provide ZERO evidence as to why we should be concerned about long term risk. You cant just say "it's new, we don't know it's safe", because we do know that it's safe. We know it's safe because nearly a half billion people are fully vaccinated. We know it's safe because the ingredients are known, safe, and unremarkable.

You have no basis to doubt the long term safety. Show me something.
You cannot provide proof for what you don't know......

We don't know that it's safe for the very same reasons...until you have years of data to look back on.

Not even Pfizer nor Moderna know the long term effects and that is why the FedGov gave them total immunity against liability.
 
Old 05-27-2021, 04:25 PM
 
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That's the best you got? JUST 80%? The flu shot is around 50% effective. 80% is miraculous in comparison.

And if it turns out you need an annual shot, like, um, the flu shot, that doesn't seem so bad.
We shall see. This needs to be peer reviewed first.

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In conclusion, the mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine induces complex functional reprogramming of innate immune responses, which should be considered in the development and use of this new class of vaccines.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...1256520v1.full
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