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Old 06-24-2022, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Originally Posted by lottamoxie View Post
Make no mistake.

The rejoicing is because evangelicals want to make it illegal for any abortion to occur, and they see this as a major victory for them controlling what others can do/not do. The whole "happy it goes to the states" is a smokescreen.

It's about control...theirs. That's always at the core of such an issue.
The political party of mask mandates and vaccines is outraged over government control over ones body.

There’s some irony.

COVID clearly laid the foundation that the government knows what’s best for your own body, according to progressives.

 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:46 PM
 
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The first thing I thougt was there is a choice but it has to be made before the 4th month. I think that was so there wouldn't be late term abortions.

The problem is what if there is a problem that is discovered after the 4th month? What about the fetus already being gone in the womb or almost gone. There could be circumstances that make terminating the pregnancy after the 4th month but before the 6 or 7th month. I don't know what circumstances there could be offhand but I'm sure there are a few that would require the termination of pregnancy. Sometimes the fetus is gone before birth so it would be cruel to force the woman to keep it inside for 9 months.

Terms of the ruling or law are not defined.

Sadly, there are many maternal and fetal complications that can result in abortion in the second trimester prior to viability. Off the top of my head, chorioamnionitis, premature rupture of membranes, placental abruption, and any number of congenital conditions. My personal experience involved a severe neural tube defect.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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How do you figure? The great majority of abortions are performed for reasons of convenience, as a form of post-fact birth control. In other words, it is a fallback position for people who engage in irresponsible sex. Maybe, just maybe, making such abortions illegal will cause some people to stop and think, given that their bail-out plan would no longer be available to them.
We'll see. I don't think it is necessary to expound as I think this is simply not going to happen. Birth control is far more convenient and inexpensive than abortion. There are already plenty of reasons for someone to choose birth control over abortion. So I don't think there are a lot of people whose behavior is going to be changes by this. What will change is the number of people accessing illegal and dangerous abortions and the number of births and children on the public payroll. Those who can afford to travel for a procedure will.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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State House Representative's in Louisiana tried that, and the bill did not get out of the Republican-led State House... Contraception will not be banned, and neither will 'Plan B'...
50 states. 50 different sets of laws. You like that the abortion is now in the purview of the states. Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi, etc don't have to go along with what Louisiana decided.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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Convenience? No. Most women who have had abortions contemplate their options very seriously. It's not a matter of convenience. It may be a matter of finances. It may be a matter of resources available (or not) to help raise a child. No one is forcing a woman to get an abortion, but no one should force a woman not to.

I wonder if men have really though this through. Sex on demand? Maybe not so much anymore, considering the risks.

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How do you figure? The great majority of abortions are performed for reasons of convenience, as a form of post-fact birth control. In other words, it is a fallback position for people who engage in irresponsible sex. Maybe, just maybe, making such abortions illegal will cause some people to stop and think, given that their bail-out plan would no longer be available to them.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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that's ridiculous where I am against abortion after a certain point I think all contraception should be on the table. plan b is contraception. i consider myself a libertarian.
It is not up to you or me. Each of 50 states will pass their own laws. Some consider Plan B and some other forms of birth control to be abortion because they prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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In the old days and still exist in many societies,an unmarried girl in the family is pregnant,it is considered family shame and the parent wlll accompany the girl to get an abortion,hush hush. Back then girls want to be married into a good family and abortion would ruin her chance,but these days one would post on Facebook,Youtube,ticktoc,twitter,tel your mom,tell your dad,tell your school mates ,tell your neighbor and tell everyone who cares to know.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Great, now were going to have even more unwanted babies in this country from poorly qualified parents.
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:53 PM
 
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Today was a great victory for the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution. This is exactly what we mean by "states rights".
 
Old 06-24-2022, 07:54 PM
 
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Sadly, there are many maternal and fetal complications that can result in abortion in the second trimester prior to viability. Off the top of my head, chorioamnionitis, premature rupture of membranes, placental abruption, and any number of congenital conditions. My personal experience involved a severe neural tube defect.

My mother had 3 miscarriages in the 3rd trimester, where she went into labor and gave birth before viability. This is decades ago, and before I was ever a thought. Back then they didn't have sonograms and did not have the neonatal technology to save a preemie as they do today.

She had to have D&C at least once, possibly more. Finally the issue was discovered from a D&C -- a bicornuate uterus. She eventually had surgery to repair the issue, and was able to carry a baby to term (me).

In some misbegotten backarse states with legislatures who don't even understand how a woman's body works, and their interest in draconian laws, someone having a 2nd or 3rd trimester miscarriage could possibly be accused and charged with a crime.
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