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The Constitution, Article 2,( the Father's felt this was so important, the made it No.2), "the RIGHT of the people to KEEP and bear ARMS, shall NOT be INFRINGED"
Do I have to tell you what "infringed" means?
Many have posted what the Founding father's have said about this over and over.
Do we have to provide them AGAIN for the umpteenth time just for you?
Article 2 of the Constitution has nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms.
In any case, holding you liable for misuse of firearms you negligently left out for minors to play with does not violate your rights in any way, shape, or form.
So you won't teach kids gun safety? A 5 year old won't consider a gun a toy with proper parenting. It is just that many parents today are too stupid or too lazy.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I've taught more people gun safety than you have known in your entire life. A 5 year old will consider anything a toy. Do you think it's OK for a 5 year old to shoot a sibling? Or should the person who left the firearm out where the child could get to it bear some responsibility?
You have no idea what you are talking about. I've taught more people gun safety than you have known in your entire life. A 5 year old will consider anything a toy. Do you think it's OK for a 5 year old to shoot a sibling? Or should the person who left the firearm out where the child could get to it bear some responsibility?
Not sure where you got that 5 year old shooting a sibling thing from, and why that poster would be okay with it.....either way. I see both sides to this.
A little knowledge, training, and respect goes along way. And one also has to keep in mind, no matter how much of the previous, when dealing with children, they are still children.
Can you share your thoughts one some of the things we've been talking about in this thread ? Why, decades ago, firearms being completely unsecured around children was so prevalent, (remember your "not a full deck comment ?) , and even being in schools, or in school parking lots, were not catastrophic, now, children , young adults, can't be trusted around them ? How and why has our society regressed ? Why are so many or our youth not respectful, have anger issues, and can't face adversity ? In a society that is progressing, it should be the opposite. Firearms were basically a non issue 40 years ago, unless one lived in a dangerous area or city, now they are a huge topic that pretty much one day can't go by without a shooting or shootings being in the news.
Not sure where you got that 5 year old shooting a sibling thing from, and why that poster would be okay with it.....either way. I see both sides to this.
A little knowledge, training, and respect goes along way. And one also has to keep in mind, no matter how much of the previous, when dealing with children, they are still children.
Can you share your thoughts one some of the things we've been talking about in this thread ? Why, decades ago, firearms being completely unsecured around children was so prevalent, (remember your "not a full deck comment ?) , and even being in schools, or in school parking lots, were not catastrophic, now, children , young adults, can't be trusted around them ? How and why has our society regressed ? Why are so many or our youth not respectful, have anger issues, and can't face adversity ? In a society that is progressing, it should be the opposite. Firearms were basically a non issue 40 years ago, unless one lived in a dangerous area or city, now they are a huge topic that pretty much one day can't go by without a shooting or shootings being in the news.
Kids should learn to shoot, and that's something I've been involved in for 40+ years. Gun safety should be taught in schools. The NRA Eddie Eagle materials are great for that, and use common sense. That doesn't mean you shouldn't lock up your firearms when you aren't there to watch the kids, though. Or leave firearms out where they can be stolen.
I never lived in a home with unsecured firearms growing up. My parents didn't own any. My dad quit using firearms after serving in Korea. None of my friends who own firearms leaves them unsecured, nor do I, when no one is there to ensure they aren't misused.
I don't have an answer for why society has changed. But we aren't living 40 years ago, and firearms need to be secured if the owner is not present.
Kids should learn to shoot, and that's something I've been involved in for 40+ years. Gun safety should be taught in schools. The NRA Eddie Eagle materials are great for that, and use common sense. That doesn't mean you shouldn't lock up your firearms when you aren't there to watch the kids, though. Or leave firearms out where they can be stolen.
I never lived in a home with unsecured firearms growing up. My parents didn't own any. My dad quit using firearms after serving in Korea. None of my friends who own firearms leaves them unsecured, nor do I, when no one is there to ensure they aren't misused.
I don't have an answer for why society has changed. But we aren't living 40 years ago, and firearms need to be secured if the owner is not present.
Well, assuming we don't go the course of having a caste system of childless Enforcers and unarmed Parents.......
Once again about "unsecured"......is not someone's locked house a secure place? Is not the arms room a secure place? Is not the interior decorating by Smith & Wesson secure? Ie, Tina: [after Matt has opened his gun cabinet and flipped it around to reveal even more weapons] Who designed this house? Smith and Wesson? (from imdb, The Silencers).....which is to say..... https://libertyhomeconcealment.com/
Who gets to decide what is sufficient.....and who gets to decide what is law?
Do you leave your firearms laying around the house when you are not at home? The post you replied to used that scenario, not one where you are at home. If you are at home, there's no obligation to keep the firearms locked up.
If you are not at home, keep the firearms locked up or inaccessible. They are too expensive to just leave them laying around to be stolen.
It's not up to you to make that determination for anyone but yourself. Maybe I have cheap guns. Maybe I'm rich. Maybe I have more expensive stuff filling up the safe and what's out is overflow. Maybe I don't care about money. You have no idea and no basis whatsoever to make that kind of statement. Zero.
Also interesting is that your motivation appears to be financial, not related to safety. Either that, or you expected that a financial argument would be more convincing to me. Either way, it's very interesting that you chose that argument.
Kids should learn to shoot, and that's something I've been involved in for 40+ years. Gun safety should be taught in schools. The NRA Eddie Eagle materials are great for that, and use common sense. That doesn't mean you shouldn't lock up your firearms when you aren't there to watch the kids, though. Or leave firearms out where they can be stolen.
I never lived in a home with unsecured firearms growing up. My parents didn't own any. My dad quit using firearms after serving in Korea. None of my friends who own firearms leaves them unsecured, nor do I, when no one is there to ensure they aren't misused.
I don't have an answer for why society has changed. But we aren't living 40 years ago, and firearms need to be secured if the owner is not present.
Why are you going off on a tangent about siblings killing each other ? I never said that it didn't happen, just not sure how you landed on that topic in this thread.
As to the bolded. I won't argue any of that. I'm just calling attention to the difference in society between now and then. Again, many of us must have been raised by that weren't working with a full deck, right ? Trying to address the root causes is how solutions can be found, though. And yes, until then, secure ones firearms.
Well, assuming we don't go the course of having a caste system of childless Enforcers and unarmed Parents.......
Once again about "unsecured"......is not someone's locked house a secure place? Is not the arms room a secure place? Is not the interior decorating by Smith & Wesson secure? Ie, Tina: [after Matt has opened his gun cabinet and flipped it around to reveal even more weapons] Who designed this house? Smith and Wesson? (from imdb, The Silencers).....which is to say..... https://libertyhomeconcealment.com/
Who gets to decide what is sufficient.....and who gets to decide what is law?
It might be sufficient to be unsecured in a locked house if you don't have teenage houseguests, but not sufficient if you do. To me that's common sense. My medicines are not locked up because we don't have kids. But when my bf's 12 year old grandson stays with us, they get hidden. Different circumstances call for different methods of operation.
Well, assuming we don't go the course of having a caste system of childless Enforcers and unarmed Parents.......
Once again about "unsecured"......is not someone's locked house a secure place? Is not the arms room a secure place? Is not the interior decorating by Smith & Wesson secure? Ie, Tina: [after Matt has opened his gun cabinet and flipped it around to reveal even more weapons] Who designed this house? Smith and Wesson? (from imdb, The Silencers).....which is to say..... https://libertyhomeconcealment.com/
Who gets to decide what is sufficient.....and who gets to decide what is law?
And that is where my issue is. A locked home, car, cabinet, etc, should be considered secured in the eye's of the law, from criminals. From children roaming around the house, that is a different story.
I should not have to worry about going to jail for leaving my locked home (no children present), with a security system, and camera's , with a firearm in a desk drawer.
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