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Teens are not going to break into a gun safe, even a cheap one. Even with a sawzall, cheap safes will take 15 or more minutes to cut open, all while making a huge racket.
You need to watch more YouTube videos about breaking into safes, or something. "Cheap" safes can be defeated by dropping them on the floor ("lock box" style) or drilling a hole in the side. Few safe manufacturers put much into the sides & back; just the door. An angle grinder and a pair of vice grips can make rather quick work of most.
If you really want to properly secure your safe, enclose it in a closet-like space with steel plates in the walls. Make it so that a pry bar can't be used on the door and the other surfaces are inaccessible with common/cordless tools.
And that is where my issue is. A locked home, car, cabinet, etc, should be considered secured in the eye's of the law, from criminals. From children roaming around the house, that is a different story.
I should not have to worry about going to jail for leaving my locked home (no children present), with a security system, and camera's , with a firearm in a desk drawer.
But that's not what happened here. The teens were staying with him, and it was just sitting on a shelf in plain view and not secured in any way.
You need to watch more YouTube videos about breaking into safes, or something. "Cheap" safes can be defeated by dropping them on the floor ("lock box" style) or drilling a hole in the side. Few safe manufacturers put much into the sides & back; just the door. An angle grinder and a pair of vice grips can make rather quick work of most.
If you really want to properly secure your safe, enclose it in a closet-like space with steel plates in the walls. Make it so that a pry bar can't be used on the door and the other surfaces are inaccessible with common/cordless tools.
I find it a bit telling to see the difference between this thread and the thread about the mother who got 21 months when her 6 year old took her gun to school and shot a teacher. There, everyone seems to be in agreement that the mom should be put away for not having the gun locked up, but here it seems to be a defense of gun owners even those with kids, shouldn't have to keep them locked up.
I find it a bit telling to see the difference between this thread and the thread about the mother who got 21 months when her 6 year old took her gun to school and shot a teacher. There, everyone seems to be in agreement that the mom should be put away for not having the gun locked up, but here it seems to be a defense of gun owners even those with kids, shouldn't have to keep them locked up.
Have rather stayed out of that case BUT......wasn't the Mother convicted because of her drug use and lying on the federal documents? If so, then we are talking apples and oranges.
Well, assuming we don't go the course of having a caste system of childless Enforcers and unarmed Parents.......
Once again about "unsecured"......is not someone's locked house a secure place? Is not the arms room a secure place? Is not the interior decorating by Smith & Wesson secure? Ie, Tina: [after Matt has opened his gun cabinet and flipped it around to reveal even more weapons] Who designed this house? Smith and Wesson? (from imdb, The Silencers).....which is to say..... https://libertyhomeconcealment.com/
Who gets to decide what is sufficient.....and who gets to decide what is law?
If you never have children in your house, then you can do whatever you want with your firearms, although it's not smart to leave them out for a thief to steal.
If there are children in the house, then a firearm that is on your body is secure. One that's laying on a coffee table in the living room while you are in the kitchen cooking is not secure. A shotgun or rifle that's on a locking rack next to the front door is secure, and I believe you can get those that are quick access.
The key here is that if a minor gets access to a firearm that is not secured and causes harm to someone, then the person who failed to secure the firearm should be held liable.
The law is set by the legislature and goes into effect when signed by the Governor.
But that's not what happened here. The teens were staying with him, and it was just sitting on a shelf in plain view and not secured in any way.
I understand that. Although some are pushing for laws that require unloading, and locked security, either a lock or safe, isn't that happening in your state ?
It's not up to you to make that determination for anyone but yourself. Maybe I have cheap guns. Maybe I'm rich. Maybe I have more expensive stuff filling up the safe and what's out is overflow. Maybe I don't care about money. You have no idea and no basis whatsoever to make that kind of statement. Zero.
Also interesting is that your motivation appears to be financial, not related to safety. Either that, or you expected that a financial argument would be more convincing to me. Either way, it's very interesting that you chose that argument.
The financial aspect relates to preventing theft of your property. None of my firearms was cheap to acquire, other than one that was gifted. I have a few that are worth a couple of thousand dollars. I am not going to leave them laying around to be stolen, simply because I don't want to have to pay to replace them. The safety aspect is preventing easy access to firearms by minors.
Another financial aspect is that, regardless of state laws on secure storage, if your child finds an unsecured firearm in your house and then shoots me or a member of my family, I will own you in civil court because you were negligent in storing your firearms.
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