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Old 11-23-2023, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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From a local socialist rag, a letter to the editor:
(I intentionally left her name and city out). These people vote.


Who's to Blame?

I'm a new Vermont resident as of October 1, and I've been reading Seven Days as a way to acquaint myself with the state. You can imagine my surprise reading about eight homicides, all committed in my first month as a Vermonter ["A Spate of Rural Homicides Puts Residents of Small Vermont Towns on Edge," November 1; "Burlington Teen Charged in Shooting Death of Fellow 14-Year-Old," October 31, online].

While this statistic is shocking, none of the stories has bothered me more than that of a 14-year-old being charged as an adult. As an out-of-stater, I perceived Vermonters as chill, politically left-leaning folks. Then I hear of a Black 14-year-old being charged as an adult in an accidental murder case. What I really want to know is: What about the owner of the gun? I don't care if the gun was stolen; that means it wasn't stored safely enough.

This 14-year-old, this child, is going to have enough trouble as it is recovering from the psychological damage of his actions, never mind what he has already experienced in an adult prison. The real criminal in this story is the owner of the gun, who, intentionally or not, allowed it to be picked up by children and cause the death of another human being. Where is that person's punishment?

The easy course of action is to lay blame on the person who held the weapon, but the way to enact change is to consider the full chain of events allowing this death to occur. We, as adults in this story, must think beyond the immediate and question the systems in place that allowed this tragedy to occur.
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Old 11-23-2023, 06:53 AM
 
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Here's the law he was charged with breaking:

https://legislature.vermont.gov/Docu...%20Summary.pdf
"the person knows or reasonably should know that a child or prohibited person is likely to gain access to the firearm".

So now you should assume that your home will be broken into, and therefore must lock up your guns? Well, I guess, in the new world of Biden and the Dems, where crime is rampant, that is a fair assumption.
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Old 11-23-2023, 07:24 AM
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"the person knows or reasonably should know that a child or prohibited person is likely to gain access to the firearm".

So now you should assume that your home will be broken into, and therefore must lock up your guns? Well, I guess, in the new world of Biden and the Dems, where crime is rampant, that is a fair assumption.
It wasn't broken into. These teens were guests in his home. He knew they were there.
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Old 11-23-2023, 07:54 AM
 
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The safe buys time for the criminal if they invade your home.
How about when you aren't home? Are you thinking it's OK to leave a dozen firearms out to be easily taken?
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Old 11-23-2023, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Interesting that the Letter to the Editor sees nothing wrong with Age of Majority being totally at the whim of the government.....sigh.

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How about when you aren't home? Are you thinking it's OK to leave a dozen firearms out to be easily taken?
That does put an interesting question to the point of what is one's responsibilities to the criminal that breaks into their house. Should my manuals on guerilla tactics, makeshift weapons and explosives, and booby traps be locked up, for instance?

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Old 11-23-2023, 09:28 AM
 
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How about when you aren't home? Are you thinking it's OK to leave a dozen firearms out to be easily taken?
Mine are in a safe, but most gun safes only take a few minutes to break into. Any lock only keeps out honest people. Besides, this is about people who are at home. Just make it illegal to have company in your house, problem solved.
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Old 11-23-2023, 10:00 AM
 
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Interesting that the Letter to the Editor sees nothing wrong with Age of Majority being totally at the whim of the government.....sigh.

That does put an interesting question to the point of what is one's responsibilities to the criminal that breaks into their house. Should my manuals on guerilla tactics, makeshift weapons and explosives, and booby traps be locked up, for instance?
The risk of someone using a book to cause harm are pretty low, and the information in your books is available in many places. As opposed to someone breaking in to your home, grabbing a pistol or two that are laying out, then robbing the nearest convenience store.
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Old 11-23-2023, 04:15 PM
 
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"the person knows or reasonably should know that a child or prohibited person is likely to gain access to the firearm".

So now you should assume that your home will be broken into, and therefore must lock up your guns? Well, I guess, in the new world of Biden and the Dems, where crime is rampant, that is a fair assumption.
His home wasn’t broken into, the teens were houseguests. And he left the gun out in plain view sitting on a shelf.
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