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Old 07-29-2008, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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He is really rapidly diminishing himself, his 15 minutes of fame are now up, and he goes into the political scrap heap.

He sounded awful discussing this with O'Reilly. Though O'Reilly frequently cut him off, Scott did an awful job of stating his message. At the end of the interview, Scott basically said his point was twisted due to Chris Matthews interruptions, very disingenuous of Scott. He is a pro, and knows how to get his point across in these venues.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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i also have seen stations(msnbc shows) that people deemed to be liberal bash the **** outta obama
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Old 07-29-2008, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Who really needs Scott McClellan's statements to realize that
Fox News is to the GOP what Pravda was to the Communist Party of the old USSR?

Pay attention to the language they use. ANY point of view that doesn't conform to the GOP platform is labeled as "biased", "liberal", "unamerican", "traitorous", "socialist".

According to Fox, GWB and the GOP have never, ever done anything wrong. For all intents and purposes, they must walk on water. How can that be balanced?

The argument that "the others do it too" is childish. On his way to the White House back in 2000, I distinctly remember Bush saying that he would change the tone in DC, that the GOP was better, etc. Thus, if you're going to claim that you are better, then your standards are gonna have to be higher than the other guy's. Period. If you claim to be better, then you're gonna have to be better, all of the time. Otherwise, you've no business saying that you're "fair and balanced".

Frankly, I've always found them loud and rude. They seem to cherish bringing out the worst in people. They love to instill fear.

Not my cup of tea.
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Who really needs Scott McClellan's statements to realize that
Fox News is to the GOP what Pravda was to the Communist Party of the old USSR?

Pay attention to the language they use. ANY point of view that doesn't conform to the GOP platform is labeled as "biased", "liberal", "unamerican", "traitorous", "socialist".

According to Fox, GWB and the GOP have never, ever done anything wrong. For all intents and purposes, they must walk on water. How can that be balanced?

The argument that "the others do it too" is childish. On his way to the White House back in 2000, I distinctly remember Bush saying that he would change the tone in DC, that the GOP was better, etc. Thus, if you're going to claim that you are better, then your standards are gonna have to be higher than the other guy's. Period. If you claim to be better, then you're gonna have to be better, all of the time. Otherwise, you've no business saying that you're "fair and balanced".

Frankly, I've always found them loud and rude. They seem to cherish bringing out the worst in people. They love to instill fear.

Not my cup of tea.
Who really needs to realize that McClellan lied?
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I think the problem people have with Fox is how they claim to be "Fair and Balanced." "We report, you decide." Nice slogans, until you hear about stuff like this. They're no better than the left-leaning networks. In fact, they're just a mirror image of them, with the opposite bias.

So if other networks' "credibility is in the trash" because they're cheerleaders for the left, I'm not sure why Fox's credibility wouldn't also be in the trash, since they're just cheerleaders for the neocons. Really, what's the difference, other than that someone prefers one bias over another?
Except the "stuff like this" isn't true.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:17 PM
 
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Who really needs Scott McClellan's statements to realize that
Fox News is to the GOP what Pravda was to the Communist Party of the old USSR?

Pay attention to the language they use. ANY point of view that doesn't conform to the GOP platform is labeled as "biased", "liberal", "unamerican", "traitorous", "socialist".

According to Fox, GWB and the GOP have never, ever done anything wrong. For all intents and purposes, they must walk on water. How can that be balanced?

The argument that "the others do it too" is childish. On his way to the White House back in 2000, I distinctly remember Bush saying that he would change the tone in DC, that the GOP was better, etc. Thus, if you're going to claim that you are better, then your standards are gonna have to be higher than the other guy's. Period. If you claim to be better, then you're gonna have to be better, all of the time. Otherwise, you've no business saying that you're "fair and balanced".

Frankly, I've always found them loud and rude. They seem to cherish bringing out the worst in people. They love to instill fear.

Not my cup of tea.

Very true, it's all rather obvious and has been for some time with that network. Every time I turn to it, I turn off in disgust rather quickly when I am always reinforced what a rude vulgarian that O'Reilly is.

Some people really have a difficult time coming to grips with it though... so maybe McClellan helps a little in that respect. I have no qualms with saying MSNBC is overtly liberal, but I don't think that CNN is too much either way (except for Rafferty, but he's bad a$$).

I would hope that we can all agree that cable news (in this country) by and large are propagandists, perhaps in a large part due to lobbyists and our Gov't's close relationship with them.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:17 PM
 
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Today on Hardball, former White House press secretary Scott McClellan admitted to Chris Matthews that the Bush administration has regularly given "talking points" to Fox News commentators (such as O'Reilly and Hannity) to act as the White House's spokespeople.

'Bout time someone with insider information on the White House has finally admitted that Bushco uses Fox News as their mouthpiece, which, in effect, makes Fox News neither fair nor balanced, as they so adamantly proclaim to be.

msnbc.com Video Player

(the part about Fox News referenced above happens at the time stamp 4:20-5:40 on this video)
I'm going to take a stab at this and say you didn't listen to O'Reilly's radio show the other day when Mclennan went on and apologized for the statements made about supposed talking points and admitted they have never given O'Reilly talking points. And Chris Matthews misconstrued it to make it look like they did.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:20 PM
 
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I'm going to take a stab at this and say you didn't listen to O'Reilly's radio show the other day when Mclennan went on and apologized for the statements made about supposed talking points and admitted they have never given O'Reilly talking points. And Chris Matthews misconstrued it to make it look like they did.
Scottie got caught lying once again and O'Reilly called him out for it.
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Old 08-01-2008, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The July ratings for Prime-Time TV (8-11 PM Eastern Time):

#6.... Fox News Channel

#22... CNN

#30... MSNBC

Now we know why the leftists are still attacking Fox! (And posting myths about that station.)

Go, FOX NEWS!!!
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Does this shock anyone? A former senior member of the Bush Administration is found not to be very competent or careful with the truth?
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