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I worked for a unionized company that was paid by the government.....the profit base was cost (to make the product) plus 10% so the company would profit no matter what...(defense contractor)
We still went out of business because of the politics of unionized garbage.......even with government paying unionization cost more than there was funding for.
Many employers simply are unable to pay the kind of benefits you might like -
Simply put - unions put companies out of business.
As for WalMart - it will not be unionized. Just like some of the casinos in Las Vegas are not unionized -
Employees have found them (unions) unnecessary
Wal-Mart will be unionized, and thanks to your post, you have helped me to decide and give some free time to my local. I believe all Wal-mart employee's need to be educated on the truth and their options, I'll be glad to help in any way I can to spread that truth. If after the employee's hear both sides and elect not to be unionized, so be it. Any person to make a sound decision on any matter needs to hear from both sides, not one like management wants you to follow. They have a lot to lose and the workers have everything to gain. Good luck Wal-Mart employee's! I hope you make a sound decision.
The union has the right to endorse and make it preference for a candidate known to its members. They don't have a right to pressure or intimidate members on how they should vote. As a member of a union for years and years, all they have ever done is send me "issue scorecards" and endorsements. They have never called me or pulled me aside at work and said "hey bud, you need to vote for _____".
Doesn't mean anything. It is a secret ballot anyways and even if they vote for the candidate that Walmart would least prefer, they still will never know.
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Ah - no - Unionizing WalMart would be a lousy thing -
Most workers (not all) at WalMart are part time - Seniors supplementing their income (who do not need "benefits") - Students who are furthering their education - people who are doing a second job -
There are no "benefits" to being in a Union - quite the opposite -
No Unions
Hey, what could possibly go wrong with a law that would allow unions to move into territory without even the consent or knowledge of the people they are supposedly representing. I mean it's not like the American labor union has a history of corruption and ties to organized crime.
Ok... Unions do the same thing... tell you who you should vote for... it isn't JUST WalMart and everyone has free will... they can choose for themselves... it isn't like they can find out WHO they actually voted for... and they can tune the store out... That is what I do w/ the Teachers Union...
I worked for a unionized company that was paid by the government.....the profit base was cost (to make the product) plus 10% so the company would profit no matter what...(defense contractor)
We still went out of business because of the politics of unionized garbage.......even with government paying unionization cost more than there was funding for.
Well,...That's your take of it. Generally it's my experience that businesses fail due to poor management and corruption at the top levels. The workers keep things going and get the job done, while management implements their "ideas" that are counterproductive and waste money. All of the dumbest decisions that I've ever seen in my 25 years of working have come from management. Case in point-Recently mangmnt leased trucks from the most expensive leasing company in the area while our permanent trucks are being built. When the area mngr asked about this, he chewed them out, then cut our overtime to make up the difference. Now we are behind in almost all areas of operation. I could have got on the phone, called 15 dif. places and saved the company thousands of dollars in an hours time, and still had the funds to pay for overtime. Stupid decisions that have affected all of us, needlessly.
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Well kev, do a little research It's well documented what wal mart has done to it's employee's. Off the top of my head-helping employees fill out medicaid and other gov aids so they don't have to pay medical benefits, placing that cost on you and me, while raking in record billion$ profits.
Actually Wal*Mart is probably doing us a favour as liberals. If we really want National Health Care in the USA as it is in every other 1st world country, Wal*Mart is helping to get us there by showing that government health care really is what is needed by putting their own employees on it! I read that something like 1/4th of the kids on Peachcare here (which is a state medical insurance for children where you pay premiums according to your income that start at about $20 a month and max out at about $70 a month) are children of Wal*Mart employees. So Wal*Mart is effectively advocating our position for public heath coverage.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Well - it won't happen. Nor, should it.
Many employers simply are unable to pay the kind of benefits you might like -
Simply put - unions put companies out of business.
As for WalMart - it will not be unionized. Just like some of the casinos in Las Vegas are not unionized -
Employees have found them (unions) unnecessary
That decision should be between Wal*Mart and its employees. If the employees want to join a union, they have the right to do so and Wal*Mart has no right to tell them they cannot. If, on the other hand, Wal*Mart is a good place to work, they need not worry about employees joining a union. Employees join unions for a reason and the reasons are usually good ones. Nobody says "hey I want dues deducted from my check every month and I want to be out of work on strike" if they like their jobs and their employers.
1. You're a business owner and paying better wages and fringes and providing better conditions will eat into your share of the money. This reason I understand, everybody looks after themselves.
2. You're an employee but are by nature servile and given to bootlicking and kneescraping. You're against unions because you resent people who have backbone and the presence of such people reminds you that you're a lickspittle; something you'd rather not confront about yourself.
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