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You're dense, or intentionally misunderstanding the quotes for the sake of arguing.
The quotes mean that society is better off if children are born and raised in a committed relationship, referred to in this society as 'marriage.'
No. The following does not mean that at all:
"civic marriage in the U.S. is in part to encourage heterosexual couples to bear and raise children"
If you'da said earlier what you just said here instead, I would've given no argument.
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I substantiated the claim with court decisions.
Umm, no, the quote you provided did not confirm that any part of the purpose of marriage is to encourage heterosexual couples to bear and raise children.
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Your claim that one must go back absolute earliest era of 'marriage' to use the word 'traditional' is ridiculous. I won't bother substantiating that claim.
Taking note that you apparently don't even know what "substantiate the claim" means, what exactly makes the beliefs of your preferred era more worthy of being called "traditional values" than the beliefs of an earlier era? More to the point, if you went back in time to your preferred era, would they be recognized as traditional views, or notable deviations from "traditional values"?
Just as I said, so-called traditionalists who oppose gay marriage pick and choose which "traditional value" to stand for, so much so that they freely accept some deviations from tradition (e.g., equal rights for women) while resisting this particular one (i.e., gays being allowed to marry). You just like to throw the phrase "traditional values" out there because it sounds better to call your views traditional instead of anti-gay. Newsflash: No one's buying it.
i'm not a oppressor of gays and gays have very narrow minds also otherwises gays would have persued equal rights under the institution of domestic partnership or civil unions. GOD also has a very narrow mind like me so i'm in very good company indeed.
Ha. That's funny.
To the rational people here: Why argue with narrow-minded idiots?
Than why is someone projecting human concepts like hetero- hom- and bi-sexuality on dogs? Why am I hearing the gay agenda folks quoting animals research on animals which suppsedly can be homosexual?
It is a fact that homosexuality does happen throughout the animal kingdom.
i'm not a oppressor of gays and gays have very narrow minds also otherwises gays would have persued equal rights under the institution of domestic partnership or civil unions. GOD also has a very narrow mind like me so i'm in very good company indeed.
I think the religious right are a conflicted group of people. On one hand they say that homosexuality is a sin and on the other hand the Bible states that one should love thy neighbor. I don't recall any stipulations in the last quote.
To the rational people here: Why argue with narrow-minded idiots?
try being mature and living up to my level by loving people that you don't agree with some of my friends were homosexuals and bi sexuals and I didn't call them IDIOTS !
I though that you were the mature one unidentifiedMale until today,,,,,
I think the religious right are a conflicted group of people. On one hand they say that homosexuality is a sin and on the other hand the Bible states that one should love thy neighbor. I don't recall any stipulations in the last quote.
I'm in the center and not right of center AA independent voter , don't fit your profile in any way whatsoever and I do love my neighbor something that true BIGOTS who were oppressive to AA never
did they are the real idiots and people that should be called onto the carpet and not folks like me.
For the Church to ignore the evidence in its own archives would be cowardly and deceptive. The evidence convincingly shows that what the modern church claims has always been its unchanging attitude towards homosexuality is, in fact, nothing of the sort.
It proves that for the last two millennia, in parish churches and cathedrals throughout Christendom, from Ireland to Istanbul and even in the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as valid expressions of a God-given love and committment to another person, a love that could be celebrated, honored and blessed, through the Eucharist in the name of, and in the presence of, Jesus Christ.
epic fail you just managed to find a segment of the church that rebeled against the dogma and doctrine of the church that was written down in the " bible " we can find that today in the san francisco bay area the headquarters of the homosexual church and the church of satan (come to think) about it. people just doing whatever they feel like doing , and trying to rewrite the " bible" what really have you prove to me and everybody else that you are trying to convert with this internet link you provided?
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Guess sticking your head in the sand is easier than facing reality.
