Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
*sigh* I don't have the time to scan through all the nonsense the OP and others like her are spewing on this thread, so I'll just make a few points and hope I'm not repeating anything:
1) PIT BULLS CAN'T LOCK THEIR JAWS!!! this is a ludicrous myth that has been debunked numerous times by legit studies. in fact, a pit bull's jaw is no stronger than many large breeds of dogs including a GSD
2) there is no such thing as a "purebred pit bull". the "pit bull" is not a breed any more than the "retriever" is a breed. "pit bull" (from this point on I'll omit the quotes) is a term that refers to 3 main breeds: the Staffodshire Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and the American Pit Bull Terrier. the term has also been applied to other look-a-like breeds such as the American bulldog, bull terrier, etc.
3) going off of the above, VERY few people, especially those in the media, can even tell the difference between a pit bull and other look a like breeds. for example, someone posted a video of the Dogo Argentino, a breed so OFTEN mistaken for a pit bull that many owners living in areas w/ BSL carry around some sort of proof that their dog is not a pit bull. check out this link and see if you can actually pick out the real APBT:
4) pit bulls were originally bred to fight dogs. in the old days, dogs that bit a human were sterilized or put to sleep. this has resulted in dogs that, while fighters, were very docile w/ humans. please note: DOG AGGRESSION IS NOT THE SAME THING AS HUMAN AGGRESSION! there are a number of breeds that are dog aggressive including the Airedale Terrier and Jack Russell Terrier. the human aggressive pits you are seeing are poorly bred specimens corrupted by gangbangers and group of dog fighters who know nothing about the history of the swport and are just looking or cheap thrills and gambling revenue
5) going off of the above, the pit bull is a terrier. ALL terriers were originally bred TO KILL! every single last one of them, from the tiny Yorkie to the large Airedale, were bred to hunt and kill some sort of animal (mostly rodents, but some larger animals as well). a major characteristic of terriers is that "gameness" that keeps them going. those who train pit bulls to fight are honing in on its natural terrier instinct, but that instinct exist in all terriers and in many other breeds as well
6) tests have shown that pit bulls have a better temperament than many other breeds. according to the ATTS testing (http://www.atts.org/testdesc.html - broken link) were are the percentages of of the number of dogs w/in a breed that passed their temperament test (check their site to see what the test entails)
LABRADOR RETRIEVER 92.0%
GOLDEN RETRIEVER 84.6%
AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER 83.9%
GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG 83.7%
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 85.3%
DALMATIAN 81.9%
AIREDALE TERRIER 77.0%
CHIHUAHUA 71.1%
DACHSHUND (STANDARD SMOOTH) 70.2%
BEARDED COLLIE 53.3%
the AmStaff only scored a tiny bit less than the Golden Retriever on temperament tests. both the Amstaff and the APBT scored higher than the chihuahua and dachshund
7) speaking of chihuahuas and dachshunds, according to a recent study, the top 3 most aggressive breeds (based on reported dog bites)are the Dachshund, the Chihuahua, and the Jack Russell Terrier. notice these are all 3 small breeds of dogs unlikely to kill a grown person (though there have been reported deaths and maulings of infants from all 3 breeds). pit bulls get more media attention because a pit bull attack is "sexy". every generation has its picked upon dog breed (in the past it was GSDs and Dobermans) and now we have the pit bull (and also the rottweiler). no one pays much attention to the massive numbers of small dogs that bite b/c they rarely kill. ask ANYONE who works around dogs which breeds are more prone to biting and most will point to a small breed like the ones above
8) the UK banned pit bulls years ago. not only was there a huge uproar and tons of court cases where owners tried to get their pits an exception from the law, but the number of dog bites reported have NOT gone down enough to justify the ban. the bites have simply shifted breeds. children are still being bitten, mauled, and killed by dogs in the UK, despite the ban. banning pits does nothing for the rate of dog bites, not only because, again, small dogs make up the bulk of reported dog bites, but b/c people looking for a breed to corrupt simply shift to another breed. and of course, let's not forget, the type of criminals that commonly keep pits to fights aren't likely to heed any bans so such bans only hurt good pits from good owners (please look up stories regarding the outrage over the Denver BSL and read all the sad stories of families that had their pets rounded up and killed for no reason other than it being a certain breed/breed type)
9) I ask anyone so anti-pit bull, including the OP, momonkey, to find me a reported dog bite (it doesn't even have to be a killing, just needs to be backed up w/ a report) where the dog was:
-an actual pit bull (ie, AmStaff, APBT, or Staffy)
-neutered
-properly socialized as a puppy
-properly trained
-not abused or neglected
-not kept as a yard dog
truth, most dogs that bite have one or more of the above characteristics. these things can happen to ANY breed, not just a pit bull, so that means ANY breed of dog has the potential to bite and the potential goes up the more of the above characteristics are present.
10) most kids are the victim of attacks b/c they are not taught how to behave around dogs. I find people have very little clue on how to interact around a dog, especially children. you do NOT pat a strange dog on the head, look it in the eye, try to take it's food or toy, approach a nursing dog or a dog w/ pups nearby, enter a property w/ a yard dog present, or play tug of war w/ a dog you don't know. so many dog bites could be prevented if parents taught their kids how to behave around animals. and even more bites could be prevented if parents followed one major rule: NEVER, EVER leave a small child alone w/ a dog, no matter the size or breed of the dog or whether you've owned the dog for a decade or just met it 10 minutes ago!! .
that's it for now, just like to reiterate that it's not the breed that's the issue, it's the idiots that own and corrupt them. I find people who are the most outspoken about banning a breed tend to know little about the breed itself or dogs in general
oh, by the way, momonkey, what is the freaking point of you linking to the same site? is that biased site the only site you can find to back up your equally silly points? care to find something else not as biased to prove your point, or are sticking w/ that one site as proof?
Again, I believe this qualifies as STUPID. If you are weak and elderly, why would you think you can handle an active dog? Oh yeah, you would probably just tie it up in the yard anyway, and not deal with training, walking, playing, or allowing it to be part of your life in any significant way...and if your grandchild decided to go out there and your neglected dog lashed out at it in jealousy, that would not be your fault either, would it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by momonkey
...So what about someone else's child
Most people with brains in their head would not allow their dog to interact with a child it does not know, they would put it behind a baby gate or in another room...if not, again it would be the owner and his/her STUPIDITY which caused the tragedy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by momonkey
...It doesn't matter whose fault it is once the child has been attacked and/or killed. The child is just as dead either way.
This is a lovely contradiction...if the fault is of no consequence, why are you proposing all dogs of this breed should be banned/killed? The next time you decide to post a thread, do a little research first and get your facts straight...and by research, I do not mean using ONE website and one narrow set of opinions as the sole reference source!
You pit bull defenders need to do a little research as well;Moderator cut: offensive and rude
DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008
The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed, rottweilers, accounted for 14%.download report »Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen. The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13). Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well. The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type
Last edited by katzenfreund; 04-27-2009 at 02:41 PM..
Yes, there may be a bunch of smaller dogs that are more aggressive or whatever. No one will argue that. I hate ankle biters. But they can't and won't maim or kill you.
There are actual breeds of dogs that you can almost never successfully train to attack.
Some of it's in the training, but some of it is in the breeding. Remember, these dogs were bred for a reason and with a specific intent as to their use.
You pit bull defenders need to do a little research as well; grab a small flashlight and insert into your rectum so you can see what your reading
DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008
The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed, rottweilers, accounted for 14%.download report »Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen. The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13). Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well. The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type
I will admit the flashlight comment made me giggle...but I will leave things of that nature to people like you who obviously enjoy the sensation of rectally-inserted objects......did I say that out loud? Does your handy little study address the conditions these dogs were living in? The way they were treated? Whether they were socialized, trained, or exercised properly? There are a lot of angry, misguided, abusive people in this world, and these people want big, strong dogs so they can dominate them, fight them, and/or train them to attack because it makes them feel like a bad-a**. These same people could just as easily take Chow, Lab, Golden, GSD, (or any large, strong breed for that matter), treat it like garbage, abuse it, neglect it, and the results would be just as tragic. Pitt Bulls are trendy for nasty people with bad intentions right now, as were Dobies, Rotties, and Shepards in the past, (as others on this thread have pointed out repeatedly.) Maybe we should euthanize the true villains here, the owners who put lives at risk by treating their dogs like crap and abusing them into the kind of fear and misery that perpetuates these attacks on innocent people in the first place.
So Tasha was food-aggressive. Which means that your two-year-old grandson should not have been allowed near Tasha while she was eating. AND that Tasha had not been properly assessed and trained regarding her food aggression.
Two years a dog eats in the populated kitchen from a shared bowl (another dog in the house, kibble left all the time ) with no previous signs of being....as you put it...food aggressive, and the conclusion is lack of training.
Right. Gotcha.
You pit bull defenders need to do a little research as well; grab a small flashlight and insert into your rectum so you can see what your reading
DogsBite.org Releases 3-Year Fatality Study: U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities January 2006 to December 2008
The report shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 fatalities. Pit bulls accounted for 59% of these deaths, the second leading breed, rottweilers, accounted for 14%.download report »Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen. The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18% (16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81% (13). Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82% (14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well. The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26% (23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22% (19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14% (12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75% (9) involved a grandparent type
how many people are killed in car accidents? maybe we need to ban cars too!!!
I wonder how many children drown every year? Guess we need to ban water.
Safe Kids USA: Preventing accidental injury. Injury Facts, Drowning (http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd.cfm?folder_id=540&content_item_id=1032 - broken link)
almost 900 kids in 2001 drowned. Where's the outrage there???
Two years a dog eats in the populated kitchen from a shared bowl (another dog in the house, kibble left all the time ) with no previous signs of being....as you put it...food aggressive, and the conclusion is lack of training.
Right. Gotcha.
our dog growing up was very food aggressive. Even bit the neighbor when she tried to feed him while we were on vacation. you couldn't go near the dog at supper time.
I've always had big dogs (150 lbs and up). Never a problem, except if they decide to body slam you. But, I've always known the breeders, and the dogs that have come from the breeder. I would never buy a dog from a pet store or get one from a shelter. (sorry Peta & all the animal welfare groups)
You should spend as much time picking a dog as you do picking your children!!!!
yes, the dog slams sure can be fun. our 100lb golden retriever can get a little hyper at times and watch out!!!
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Most people with brains in their head would not allow their dog to interact with a child it does not know, they would put it behind a baby gate or in another room...if not, again it would be the owner and his/her STUPIDITY which caused the tragedy.
The next time you decide to post a thread, do a little research first and get your facts straight...and by research, I do not mean using ONE website and one narrow set of opinions as the sole reference source!
Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009) -- DogsBite.org, a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen. 
...did I say that out loud?
Does your handy little study address the conditions these dogs were living in? The way they were treated? Whether they were socialized, trained, or exercised properly? There are a lot of angry, misguided, abusive people in this world, and these people want big, strong dogs so they can dominate them, fight them, and/or train them to attack because it makes them feel like a bad-a**. These same people could just as easily take Chow, Lab, Golden, GSD, (or any large, strong breed for that matter), treat it like garbage, abuse it, neglect it, and the results would be just as tragic. Pitt Bulls are trendy for nasty people with bad intentions right now, as were Dobies, Rotties, and Shepards in the past, (as others on this thread have pointed out repeatedly.) Maybe we should euthanize the true villains here, the owners who put lives at risk by treating their dogs like crap and abusing them into the kind of fear and misery that perpetuates these attacks on innocent people in the first place.
