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Old 05-09-2009, 08:21 PM
 
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Roe v. Wade was a case of judicial activism at its finest.
"Judicial activism" means "they made a decision that I strongly disagree with."

There's no such thing as judicial activism to me. The judges do their jobs, and when they make a decision that is unpopular, the side who disagrees with them labels them "activist judges". That's what it comes down to.

You can make strong arguments about whether or not it was the right decision, or whether the judges should have even taken the case, but the term "activist judge" rings hollow to me.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I doubt it will be overturned. Thankfully so.

And even if states decide it, women will still go and have abortion so I see no point in even doing that.
I could at least sleep easier at night knowing that woman cannot legally commit murders in MY state.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN (USA)
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"Judicial activism" means "they made a decision that I strongly disagree with."

There's no such thing as judicial activism to me. The judges do their jobs, and when they make a decision that is unpopular, the side who disagrees with them labels them "activist judges". That's what it comes down to.

You can make strong arguments about whether or not it was the right decision, or whether the judges should have even taken the case, but the term "activist judge" rings hollow to me.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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I doubt it will be overturned. Thankfully so.

And even if states decide it, women will still go and have abortion so I see no point in even doing that.
The point would be that each state would have the right to allow or not allow abortions to occur in their state.

If you say there's no point, well, the same argument you're making could apply to same-sex marriage. Same-sex couples can go to a state that allows it, and when the Defense Of Marriage Act is overturned (which I think is likely to happen), then the couple will be able to return to their state and be treated as if they were married right there.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:25 PM
 
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I could at least sleep easier at night knowing that woman cannot legally commit murders in MY state.
Wow. Women having abortions bothers you that much at night? Why? Are you even a woman?

It is ok. Even if it does not happen in your state, it is happening in your country. Abortion will always be around as long as we are a progressive country and/or a world leader.

The pro life movement will never stop women from having abortions. They can sit and argue about it but the choice will always be there. As I said before, the most they can do is not have an abortion if they think it is so wrong.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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"Judicial activism" means "they made a decision that I strongly disagree with."

There's no such thing as judicial activism to me. The judges do their jobs, and when they make a decision that is unpopular, the side who disagrees with them labels them "activist judges". That's what it comes down to.

You can make strong arguments about whether or not it was the right decision, or whether the judges should have even taken the case, but the term "activist judge" rings hollow to me.
Hmmm...well let's see.

The term "judicial activism" to me means judges writing laws from the bench. That is what happened in Roe v. Wade.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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The point would be that each state would have the right to allow or not allow abortions to occur in their state.

If you say there's no point, well, the same argument you're making could apply to same-sex marriage. Same-sex couples can go to a state that allows it, and when the Defense Of Marriage Act is overturned (which I think is likely to happen), then the couple will be able to return to their state and be treated as if they were married right there.
Abortion is a medical surgery. Just because some people want to cry about it or control women does not mean that the state should deny them.

And about gay marriage-same thing. It is a RIGHT. Just because some people want to cry about it and control who marries who does not mean we should deny them.

This is United States. Liberty and Justice for ALL. Not just the people who think they can oppress other people.

I dont think any state should limit any of these issues. They trample on rights and freedom-the principles this country was founded on. I am glad gay marriage is becoming more legal everywhere and I am glad the Defense of Marriage Act is being overturned. If they want to defend marriage, make divorce illegal.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Wow. Women having abortions bothers you that much at night? Why? Are you even a woman?

It is ok. Even if it does not happen in your state, it is happening in your country. Abortion will always be around as long as we are a progressive country and/or a world leader.

The pro life movement will never stop women from having abortions. They can sit and argue about it but the choice will always be there. As I said before, the most they can do is not have an abortion if they think it is so wrong.
Let me ask you this - if a law was passed tomorrow stating that mothers could murder their 2 year olds, wouldn't you want it to be changed?

That's how many pro-lifers including me (somewhat) see it.

Woman's life comes before fetus' life absolutely. Woman's convenience (I don't want to be pregnant anymore) coming before fetus' life really bothers me and, yes, I think it's murder and, yes, 60% of people in my state feel the same. 50% of Americans as a whole feel the same.

Keep in mind, these are the percentages of people who want the laws changed. Far more probably do not think abortions are a "good thing."

And, no, I am not a woman but do NOT tell me I have no right to an opinion because of it.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Abortion is a medical surgery. Just because some people want to cry about it or control women does not mean that the state should deny them.

And about gay marriage-same thing. It is a RIGHT. Just because some people want to cry about it and control who marries who does not mean we should deny them.

This is United States. Liberty and Justice for ALL. Not just the people who think they can oppress other people.

I dont think any state should limit any of these issues. They trample on rights and freedom-the principles this country was founded on. I am glad gay marriage is becoming more legal everywhere and I am glad the Defense of Marriage Act is being overturned. If they want to defend marriage, make divorce illegal.
Hold the phone....you think abortion is fine and dandy and is a "right" because it's legal. That's part of your justificiation for why abortion is OK.

But then you think that same-sex marriage is a right even though it is not legal currently.

It does seem a bit hypocritical.
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Old 05-09-2009, 08:33 PM
 
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Hmmm...well let's see.

The term "judicial activism" to me means judges writing laws from the bench. That is what happened in Roe v. Wade.
I don't really know enough about Roe v. Wade to comment on that, but I do know that the term "activist judge" is used (mostly by conservatives) when a decision is made that they disagree with.

As it pertains to same-sex marriage, it's at least a little funny that conservatives complained about "activist judges" in Massachusetts and California and even called them "liberals" when most or all of those judges were actually appointed by Republican governors.
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