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Old 06-17-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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In other words, the taxpayers of your country are saddled with the bill.

Gotcha
You mean like the Tax payer in America is "saddled" with the bill from every illegal who goes into a A&E and doesn't pay or every American who is forced into using a A&E for treatment because they cannot afford health insurance then can't pay or for medicare or medicaid. So the American Tax payer pays for theses people...... Gotcha.
Many over 60's in the UK have already payed tax for the use of health services so will be just getting what they have already paid for themselves.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I was talking to an American Doctor recently about the American Health System and he told me that Doctors Surgery's are now so overcrowded that the Doctor has hardly any real time to diagnose the patient properly and if the Doctor is in any way unsure he will send the patient to a Specialist....NOT because he wants a second opinion but because he is dead scared of not getting it right and being sued. He also said that he probably wouldn't send over half of the people for certain tests or to see a specialist if he wasn't swamped with patients or was scared of litigation. He also said that the Health System has changed out of all recognition from when he first qualified and it has become completely dictated to by the Insurance Companies. He could never Imagine a Govt being able to withhold treatment etc in such a arbitary way as the Insurance Companies do. If ANYONE believes that the Govt dictates your treatment etc more than the Insurance companies then you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of how a UHC works and are brainwashed by the current failing health system in the USA.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You mean like the Tax payer in America is "saddled" with the bill from every illegal who goes into a A&E.
What is an A&E? I don't know that term
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:39 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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What is an A&E? I don't know that term
You are kidding me?

You say you know about or have family in the health service and you don't know what an A&E is...................Look it up.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You are kidding me?

You say you know about or have family in the health service and you don't know what an A&E is...................Look it up.
No, I do not know the term.

And, I have family that are Doctors. We don't commonly use the term "health service" in the United States.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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No, I do not know the term.

And, I have family that are Doctors. We don't commonly use the term "health service" in the United States.
I think when you look up the term "health system" and A&E you should look at the word "pedantic" too.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The CBO is acknowledging that Obama "plan" will only provide heatlh insurance to a small percentage of those who are uninsured - something like only 10% (5 million out of the 50 million estimated).
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I have tried to ignore your underhand comments Greatday and your total lack of understanding of how a UHC works and even your continual reference to me NOT being an American Citizen as if that negates my input on this blog. I think the only thing now is for me to use the IGGY button on you as it will be the only way to avoid your obvious problems with my input.
I hope this will now be the end of this stupidity.
I understand how an UHC works.

I have only stated a FACT that you are not an American Citizen - which is the truth. And, it was in no way to "negate" anything on this board.

If you wish to put me on "ignore" - that is certainly your prerogative. Rest assured however, when you post misinformation, disinformation and outright lies, I will respond to your posts accordingly.
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Old 06-17-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I think when you look up the term "health system" and A&E
We call them ER's - Emergency Rooms, in the United States Geeoro.

ER's are most normally attached to Hospitals - but there are also "speciality" ER - called Trauma Centers - which are classifed as Level I or Level II Trauma Centers. Not all ER's are Trauma Centers
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Old 06-17-2009, 07:04 PM
 
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I have never taken a trip into outerspace but I paid a share of that. I did not want the Viet Nam War or the Iraq War but I paid my share for that (in more ways than money too.), I am not an investment banker or wall street broker but I paid a share for their bailouts. I don't go on the fancy trips that our politicians take on a regular basis but I pay a share for that. I have paid my share for all the pork barrel boondoggles around the country for which I have received no benefit. I have contributed thousands of hours in volunteer work for my community. I have paid my share in many ways buddy...including the money that came out of my paycheck for 50 years. We all do. It's call citizenship. And don't forget that some folks pay private health insurance for years and never use it while others pay for 3 months and end up with a serious illness that could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. The same is true of medicare.
We don't have the ability to direct out taxes to our individual causes. Doesn't matter whether you were for or against a war, gov't bailouts or whatever, the money was spent. I commend you for your community involvement, but in terms of how it affected Medicare, its meaningless. I'm not looking to downgrade your contribution to society by being a hard worker and faithful tax payer, rather just pointing out how Medicare has become insolvent, and how expensive it will be to maintain it as the boomers retire.

The simple financial fact is that despite your faithful paying of taxes and scrimping and saving, the government did not collect enough money from your generation while you were working to pay for your retirement healthcare care in TODAY'S costs. This is what started the whole talk of health care reform: Medicare is broke and is taking a larger percentage of the GDP each year.
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