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I'm not just a liberal. Rise above your black-and-white world-view.
God tells us that a highly advanced society would, actually, happily provide basic necessities for even the laziest amongst us, health care included.
It is the fear of not having enough that compels you to somehow see it as moral to advocate a survival of the fittest worldview with peoples' lives. No healthy society advanced beyond oue primitive state would ever see it your way.
Christ then and God today reveal a higher path in which you realize you have nothing to fear - not even the lazy and destructive whom you accuse of stealing from you.
Bless you in your journey to this realization. In it you will find the morality you seek.
Bluefly, what you and so many liberals fail to understand is this:
Rewarding people for working hard and spending their money wisely encourages such behavior. Not enabling laziness and poor spending choices discourages such behavior.
When you do the opposite you get the opposite result.
This is BASIC human nature and common sense. It is a mystery to me how you can possibly fail to see this.
You liberals have 60 seats in the senate and 255 seats in the house, THE most liberal U.S. Senator of recent time in the White House and you still can't pass the Public Option.
Which means guess what? IT WILL NEVER happen or at least not anytime in the foreseeable future.
The chance would have been now and it has slipped away. And come 2010, the liberals hold on power will begin slipping as the Republicans start to pick up seats. Mark my words.
Does anyone disagree?
They have the votes to pass it in both houses. What they lack is the guts. I'm against the public option but if it's what they want they should pass it. But maybe they're looking forward to the 2010 midterm elections and their inevitable unemployment should they do so since the American public is decidedly against the public option. So they won't pass it w/o a few token GOPers to provide the illusion of bipartisanship.
I do not think so, that is why Obama, Reid and Pelosi are trying to ram this through without listening to the majority of the people.
They know it is hard to fix or repeal something like this once it is done.
So, we need to keep the pressure on to stop it now.
Do not fear, the dems are doing plenty of other stupid things to use against them in 2010 and 12. We wont need this as a tool against them, they are creating a mess that no one will forget come election time.
I'm not so sure people will remember. Keep in mind that stimulus bill is still waiting out there in the wings. That is now a capaingn slush fund that, along with contributions from foreign governments (I'm assuming) like Saudi Arabia and China, will dwarf anything we've seen to date in tems of campaign spending. Remember, this is the most sleazy and corrupt government we have ever seen. Even the upcoming media blitz in support of government health care reform will be financed by the very same pharmaseutacal, hospital and insurance industries and their respective front groups that are supposed to be reined in by it. Plus unions like the UAW, AFL-CIO and SIEU will provide boots on the ground along with ACORN. All of these entities stand to gain much as long as they are willing to help this government deceive the American people. The average person won't bother to do the research to find out which groups are actually front groups funded by pharma, NARAL, SEIU, NEA or the like. The Democrats are banking on saturation and I wish I could say I'm sure it won't work. But the problem we still have is young and first-time voters. They get bedazzeled too easy, i.e. "hopey/changey". Conservatives have to make the mounting deficits real to the young people who will end up paying them. Once that is accomplished, they will all be small government conservatives, and, as long as they don't go third party, all should be fine.
You liberals have 60 seats in the senate and 255 seats in the house, THE most liberal U.S. Senator of recent time in the White House and you still can't pass the Public Option.
Which means guess what? IT WILL NEVER happen or at least not anytime in the foreseeable future.
The chance would have been now and it has slipped away. And come 2010, the liberals hold on power will begin slipping as the Republicans start to pick up seats. Mark my words.
Does anyone disagree?
You are assuming the president follows laws and the constitution. That is a BIG assumption with this president.
You liberals have 60 seats in the senate and 255 seats in the house, THE most liberal U.S. Senator of recent time in the White House and you still can't pass the Public Option.
Which means guess what? IT WILL NEVER happen or at least not anytime in the foreseeable future.
The chance would have been now and it has slipped away. And come 2010, the liberals hold on power will begin slipping as the Republicans start to pick up seats. Mark my words.
Bluefly, what you and so many liberals fail to understand is this:
Rewarding people for working hard and spending their money wisely encourages such behavior. Not enabling laziness and poor spending choices discourages such behavior.
When you do the opposite you get the opposite result.
This is BASIC human nature and common sense. It is a mystery to me how you can possibly fail to see this.
I don't disagree with your point. I simply challenge the point at which we engage thid human nature.
Would an advanced society demand everybody compete for survival at the very basic level of necessity - food, shelter, health - or would it happily provide everybody - regardless of lazinesd - a basic quality of life, thus allowing everybody the opportunity to succeed or fail on their own, not from a position that is desperate.
While you might not understand unquestioned empathy, I do not understand how ideological conservatives can't see the extraordinary hurdles others face that most white, middle-class copnservatives couldn't fathom. It's not an issue of laziness, and until all voluntarily provide basic necessities without question there will be a need for a liberalism to force resources out of our hands to do it.
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