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Exactly WHY do you think his family deserves that kind of treatment? The guy is already dead. He isn't going to suffer from the abuse and dehumanizing treatement of his family. They didn't kill anyone.
Did you even think about what you were saying?
Someone in his family helped him after he shot the officers (and he was shot in the process). His family harbored him - helped him. They are culpable
Your post was great until you got to the "carcass" and "scumbag" and "dead animal pick up." Why did you have to add that little bit of hatred and violence?
Because it properly described the animal he was
The city dump is an appropriate resting place as well
Someone in his family helped him after he shot the officers (and he was shot in the process). His family harbored him - helped him. They are culpable
He had 8 felonies, 8!!! in the state of WA. Out on bail for second degree child rape. What happened to the 3 strikes and you're out Washingtonians voted for? So many failures on so many levels in the justice system.
No, I still do NOT support capital punishment. I have never contended that people who get out of prison for crimes OTHER THAN FIRST DEGREE MURDER don't murder people. I've said all along, in my strong support for life without parole ever, that people convicted of first degree murder and sent to death row don't get released. NO ANYONE cannot get out; that is simply not true. Not today, not last week, not in recent time. The only way people sentenced to death row get out is when they are executed or when they are FOUND TO BE INNOCENT OF THE CRIME AND RELEASED. Charles Manson is still in prison, isn't he? And, remember, Manson doesn't even have an LWOP sentence!
Do you realize that you're basically advocating for a death penalty for people who are repeat offenders? Yes, that's what you're saying. It seems to me that you are angry that the man was not executed so Huckabee could not have released him along with 999 other inmates. When this country starts executing people for what they MIGHT DO IN THE FUTURE, well.......may as well move to Iran or China; you'd get better "justice." Who ever told you that life is safe and secure? It is not possible for government or the law to give you or anyone else absolute safety. Not possible.
These days for any public offical to commute a sentence of life without parole ever would be POLITICAL SUICIDE. There is simply no way that would happen. The man in this incident was not sentenced to life without parole. If he had been, then he wouldn't have been released by Huckabee.
Try for just a minute to step outside the circumstances of any specific murder case and see if you can think in terms of logic and reasoning regarding death penalty law. Our justice system is not PERFECT. It cannot predict the future. In an IMPERFECT SYSTEM, there WILL BE MISTAKES and an innocent person will be convicted of a murder they did not commit. That's an absolute. My argument is and always has been for the innocent person who gets caught up in the system by mistake and is executed, and not for the person who did in fact kill another human. For example, Todd Willingham in Texas.
(In a withering critique, a nationally known fire scientist has told a state commission on forensics that Texas fire investigators had no basis to rule a deadly house fire was an arson – a finding that led to the murder conviction and execution of Cameron Todd Willingham.
The finding comes in the first state-sanctioned review of an execution in Texas, home to the country’s busiest death chamber. If the commission reaches the same conclusion, it could lead to the first-ever declaration by an official state body that an inmate was wrongly executed.) Cameron Todd Willingham case: Expert says fire for which father was executed was not arson - Chicago Tribune
I do not believe that ANY KILLER is worth the life of an innocent person when it can so easily be avoided by sentencing people to life in prison without parole rather than, in the heat of enormous passion and emotions, we send an innocent to execution because we want so desperately to get even and try to make things "right." In other words, the death of ONE INNOCENT PERSON BY EXECUTION is far, far, far too costly and not worth it to execute a few of the really guilty. You do realize that we do not "catch" the killers in every murder in the country, don't you? So even with the death penalty, we are not punishing all of them.
Death is different. We cannot afford even ONE MISTAKE.
I hear what you are saying, I really do, but there is no way anyone can be sure a person will never be released or escape. It just doesn't work that way.
I rejoice when evil taking the form of man is permanently removed from society and no longer leeching protien and oxygen at the expense of the taxpayer.
Our prisons are over crowded with felons who are violent repeat offenders. This was no choirboy. Criminally insane perhaps and he was taken out like the rabid animal he was. One who rapes children and executes police officers long ago surrendered his soul to evil.
Lethal applications of lead projectiles into armed violent felons refusing to comply with arresting officers is the only solution to a "justice system" that lets this scum out on the streets to keep murdering and raping innocent victims.
This violent and armed felon was "killed" by a police officer. The four officers in the Lakewood coffee shop were "murdered" by the violent felon with malice and pre-meditated calculation. There is a HUGE difference between the two. No, no sympathy for the dead felon or those who aided and abbetted in his crimes.
You just still don't get it, do you?
No one is asking for sympathy for the Maurice Clemmons. He's dead. And you know what? It's very possible that those four police officers would not have been killed if our SOCIETY would stop denying mental illness, and stop projecting onto every other human being the same IQ and good mental health of the wisest and healthy among us and actually BELIEVING that everyone out there thinks as clearly as we do. THEN maybe the convicted felons in our system would be treated for their mental illness and just maybe there would be far fewer incidents like this one. But, no, I guess not. It's much easier to call people animals, and scumbags, and dirt, etc., etc., than it is to really look at the serious problems there are in our society. Brush off these things and cheer for more killings in the streets.
Btw, what do you mean by "criminally insane"? Don't you understand that when you let the emotions of hatred, violence, and self-righteousness take control of you, that you are no better than those you hate? Nahh, you'd never be able to grasp that concept in a million years. Maybe on your next reincarnation, you'll have a better chance.
I hear what you are saying, I really do, but there is no way anyone can be sure a person will never be released or escape. It just doesn't work that way.
Yes, it is possible to be sure that a person will never be released. Charles Manson is a good example of that.
Would you have felt different if he had killed 4 guilty drug dealers?
I will be honest, I don't know. I would like to say, I would have felt the same way, but there are certain professions and groups of people I happen to have a great deal of respect for: cops, military, church leaders (and I don't mean those loonies church leaders) and the elderly: I say elderly cause I am one.
seriously, I do think cops put their lives on the line for us everyday, this case proves it and no, I don't think all cops are good guys and gals, some are very arrogant, but the fact remains they have chosen a profession that protects us. So, to answer your question, I would have probably felt different if it was a bunch of drug dealers. That might be wrong, but I want to answer you honestly.
I would want to see him tried if he killed drug dealers and yes, sentenced to death, I just wouldn't be so happy as I am right now.
I support this type of action even though I'm usually against the death penalty. Swift, instant justice sits better with me for some reason. If only every killer could be dealt with this way before they enter the legal system and we we are stuck taking responsibility for them forever.
Work and personal opinions do not necessary equal the same thing.
Geeee! So now you are in my mind and my personal life. Wow! You know, the ignorance of that statement just makes me think that you are not a lawyer now and never have been one.
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