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We will never know if JFK would have ended the war sooner. LBJ kept the same folks like McNamara and look what happened. You know what they say about JFK's role in Vietnam (as sick as it sounds) - He had the sense to die.
We just will NEVER know.
On Nixon's part? Why, yes it was. If I had had my way, he would have been charged with murder but then I was pretty hardassed about it.
I would consider LBJ selfish if he hung on to an office when he knew he had health problems that would have interferred with his ability to do the job.
There are several examples of politicians who have done this ....
I would consider LBJ selfish if he hung on to an office when he knew he had health problems that would have interferred with his ability to do the job.
There are several examples of politicians who have done this ....
As pollyrobin has implied -- or am I reading into the posts? -- the concern for Johnson was death, not incapacitation. He had had heart problems for a long time and it didn't interfere with his ability to do any of his jobs. If he died, the VP would have stepped in, just like he did.
I ask this question cuz it appears ,today,the only ones who admitted they were protesting back in the 60's add--" but I supported the troops back then"
What happened to the vast majority of the Vietnam war protestors who sure as heck showed no support for the troops?
Have they died off?
Selective memory?
Or are they ashamed to admit their behavior ?
They go jobs and teach the 60's ideolgoy of socialism to there kids. Though to be fair most just wanted to be young adults and let alone but the socialist idealogies and groups taught them socialist ideas. Now the teach in public schools and reprogram the college students.
Protest the fact that of our foregin policy is to fight other peoples war.
Protest your losing freedom to debit and govenrment bailouts and socialism. You wont see that because they support that.
To busy using psy meds to notice.
They go jobs and teach the 60's ideolgoy of socialism to there kids. Though to be fair most just wanted to be young adults and let alone but the socialist idealogies and groups taught them socialist ideas. Now the teach in public schools and reprogram the college students.
Protest the fact that of our foregin policy is to fight other peoples war.
Protest your losing freedom to debit and govenrment bailouts and socialism. You wont see that because they support that.
To busy using psy meds to notice.
I ask this question cuz it appears ,today,the only ones who admitted they were protesting back in the 60's add--" but I supported the troops back then"
What happened to the vast majority of the Vietnam war protestors who sure as heck showed no support for the troops?
Have they died off?
Selective memory?
Or are they ashamed to admit their behavior ?
They did not go away. These are the whack job left wing liberals of today. They still look for anything (maybe even Groundhog's day) to protest, so that they can rekindle the fond memories of being obnoxious in thier youth. See some 60 year old idiot "demonstrating" somewhere? That is one of them.
As pollyrobin has implied -- or am I reading into the posts? -- the concern for Johnson was death, not incapacitation. He had had heart problems for a long time and it didn't interfere with his ability to do any of his jobs. If he died, the VP would have stepped in, just like he did.
Yes - his death. He had his wits. He simply did not think he could complete a second term.
LBJ even looked better after he gave his "I will not seek nomination of my party" speech. But it was short lived because MLK was killed 4 days later.
In LBJ released tapes, it is noted:
LBJ was working on Vietnam Peace talks in 1968. LBJ was furious with Nixon stating Nixon put politics first ahead of bringing the Vietnam war to a swift conclusion in 1968.
As LBJ told Senate Republican leader Everett Dirksen, "This is treason."
In a conversation on November 3, 1968, Johnson confronted Nixon on the issue, but Nixon told LBJ point-blank, "I'm not trying to interfere."
But it turns out Nixon and other GOP worked behind the scenes to convince Vietnamese diplomats that "Nixon will do better by you" if they only delayed peace talks until Nixon was in office.
Nixon supporter, Chennault arranged contact with Bui Diem who met in secret with Nixon in July 1968 in NY. Nixon advised Saigon to refuse participation in the talks, promising a better deal once elected.
Records of FBI wiretaps show that Chennault phoned Bui Diem on November 2, 1968 with the message "hold on, we are gonna win." President Nguyen Van Thieu obliged and the talks achieved almost no progress by the time Johnson left office.
When I came home, at the air port here a blonde chippie with crusty bell bottoms, flowers in her hair came up to me and spat. I decked her right there. One to the kisser. I looked at her boy firedn with his scraggly hair and peach fuzzy beard and told him he wasnt much of a man if he let me get by with that.
He ran
Only time I ever hit a woman........she deserved it
Thats about what I know about war protesters from that era..........This is after all central Oklahoma, then and now..........
Not exactly. LBJ won the New Hampshire primary by 49 percent (all by write ins). LBJ's announcement in 1968, not to seek reelection, came as a surprise. Many say, he would have beat Nixon if he had run.
Part of LBJ's reason not to seek re-election was a fear he had that he would die at age 64, just as his father and grandfather did. LBJ felt he would not live through a second term. LBJ died at the age of 64 in 1973 of his third heart attack.
LBJ died January 22, 1973 - Almost to the date that would have been his last days of a 2nd term. The Paris Peace Accords took effect on January 27, 1973.
After LBJ's announcement in 1968 not to run, it was 5 years, and 33,000 more dead US soldiers, before the Vietnam War came to an end - under Nixon.
The story of Lyndon Johnson is one of the true tragedies of American history. With the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the War on Poverty, he could have been one of our truly great presidents, but he lost it with the failure in Vietnam. It's really painful listening to those tapes of Johnson and his advisers talking about Vietnam. He knows it isn't worth the men he was sending over to kill and die, he knows we don't have a chance to win, yet he can't stop himself.
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