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Free choice, no punishment. Go against the Obama plan, there is punishment.
Even liberals should be able to undertand thais concept and stop lying about it.
Obama gonna take care of all of us. He got a stash, and he gonna share wit his brothas and sistas. Got Bless America!
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Let's see. If you buy it you claim that you get a tax exemption.
If you do not buy it, yu pay more taxes.
If you do not pay the more taxes, you go to jail or lose your property.
Yep, no punishment from the government for not mildly going along with a forced payment to remain free.
Got it.
If you buy health insurance, which you should because if no healthy person does (and if insurance companies can't deny coverage based on preexisting conditions why would they?) health insurance companies all go bankrupt and when you need health care you have no means of affording it, then you are exempt from a new tax that will be in the Internal Revenue code.
If you don't buy health insurance then you have to pay the new tax that will be in the Internal Revenue code. Which means you pay more in taxes than someone who bought health insurance but it's a new tax, it may be an increase from current law but it will be law so referring to it as "more taxes" seems to imply that there's an added tax penalty on top of the tax being added to the Internal Revenue code which people who buy health insurance will be subject to but exempted from. Think of it as them paying less not you paying more and it's much more accurate.
If you do not pay the more taxes the IRS garnishes your wages for the amount you owe, but since they tend to wait several years you could accrue a very large accumulative penalty. Though if you file a return and pay whatever you owe minus the new tax they'll probably get that new tax from you faster. If you were getting money back you'd just get that much less back. So you'd be liable then for the amount of the new tax plus a late penalty. If you managed to persist in not paying then you would, of course be violating the law. Agree or not it's the law. If you want to change the law you could chose to try doing it rationally without also breaking the law. If you chose to protest by breaking the law then you should also be willing to accept the consequences of breaking the law.
There's no forced payment to remain free, as I've explained in an earlier post, any bill that makes it impossible or even just more difficult for insurance companies to deny people coverage based on preexisting conditions and/or removes or severely hampers their ability to drop people from their plans when they become ill must also include a mandate on healthy individuals to purchase health insurance then health insurance companies are almost certain to go bankrupt (lacking a sufficiently large pool of healthy premium payers to offset the unhealthy people that the company becomes obligated to pay health care providers for the care of).
Of course if you object to the provisions that remove the ability of insurance companies to deny people coverage based on preexisting conditions, and if you also object to the provisions which make it more difficult for insurance companies to drop a person's policy based on minor details or technicalities when they become ill, then it's also reasonable to object to the so-called mandate in individuals to purchase health insurance.
no worries. The lack of a public option will allow Repubs to claim "victory" when the bill passes and sees some level of success down the line. THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!
^ you mean kind of like the law Romney passed in MA or was that acceptable because he is GOP
Romney's plan has been an abject failure. He did not get the GOP nomination, in part, because of "Ronmneycare".
The Treas. of Mass has recently stated that Mass healthcare system has been artificially propped up to keep it from going bankrupt until after this federal health legislation can be passed.
every dollar residents of Texas pay in federal income tax the united states government gives Texas back something like 95 cents to fund the state's operations.
So what you're saying, deathmonkey, is Texas would actually have a NET GAIN of 5% if they were to secede and maintain a similar tax structure that they currently pay for federal taxes?
Sign me up. I miss living in the Republic of Texas.
This should be fun it obamacare passes - hopefully there will be an injunction on the legislation and tied up in the courts for a while.
I don't think I've ever witnessed the public and individual states so opposed to legislation proposed by the WH and Congress. This is truly unprecedented.
CNSNews.com - Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation to File Immediate Constitutional Challenge If House Dems Try to Pass Health-Care Without Actually Voting on It (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62939 - broken link)
I think it would be just grand if the states and individuals said "up yours" to the federal government and refused to comply with their unconstitutional laws.
Attorney General Greg Abbott was reelected as the 50th Attorney General of Texas on November 7, 2006. Prior to his election as attorney general, Greg Abbott served as a Justice on the Texas Supreme Court and as a State District Judge in Harris County.
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Greg Abbott - Just got off the AG conference call. We agreed that a multi-state lawsuit would send the strongest signal. We plan to file the moment Obama signs the bill. I anticipate him signing it tomorrow. Check back for an update at that time. I will post a link to the lawsuit when it is filed. It will lay out why the bill is unconstitutional and tramples individual and states rights.
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