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I live near this proposed location and I'm not getting what the big deal is. How is this any different from the police substation that used to be in the Wal-mart shopping center near Pleasant Valley or the current substation in the shopping center near the corner of Falls of Neuse and 540?
I live near this proposed location and I'm not getting what the big deal is. How is this any different from the police substation that used to be in the Wal-mart shopping center near Pleasant Valley or the current substation in the shopping center near the corner of Falls of Neuse and 540?
I'm not all that familiar with what goes on at a police substation - would you have large (55 seat) buses come in to pick up or drop off groups of detainees?
Perhaps not of that scale, but you have plenty of detainees going in and out of a police substation. I used to work near the one on Glenwood and we'd see guys in cuffs going in all the time, and sometimes coming out of their own free will. As far as I know there was no increase in crime in the area.
I've put in plenty of bollards. What you see in front of a store is nothing close to stopping a 15000 pound truck at anything over 5 mph.
Right, but there are bollards that do meet the 15,000 55 mph standard and they don't look much different. A quick google check will show you some examples.
The federal buildings in downtown raleigh appear to have them. I'm not sure their presence is anything that would be a problem in a commercial zone since bollards are common already.
Look, I'm not saying this is the best use of the location, but the 15,000 55 mph protection requirement is not a strong point to argue when making a case against it since it isn't specific to and ICE facility (it is required of all federal buildings) which are located throughout the triangle.
Last edited by North_Raleigh_Guy; 07-09-2011 at 10:33 PM..
Go and keep thinking about crime... Look most of the illegals are working painting, sheetrocking and landscaping around the triangle. They are trying to keep a low profile... The people that are causing trouble are good ole American citizens who .. well are just looking for trouble.
Cary Ice Meeting
5:00 pm Thurs July 14
Green Hope Elementary
Cary NC 27519
A community meeting with representatives from the General Services Administration (GSA) and Dept of Homeland Security (DHS) will be held this Thursday July 14 at 5:00 pm at the Green Hope Elementary (that is ELEMENTARY) Gym at 2700 Louis Stephens Drive, Cary. For complete information to get the most up to date facts please see the the stopcaryicenow.org website.
Please attend the meeting, express your views and ask questions. Continue calling every elected official you have to let them know how you feel. Multiple calls from each member of the same household and business are encouraged so don't hesitate. The time is now.
This meeting is just ahead of the Town of Cary Council meeting that begins at 6:30 also on Thursday in Town Hall Council Chambers (possibly any council members who attend will do so before their own meeting).
I believe there's a political agenda behind this thrust to put the ICE center in this particular location in Cary.
I suspect that it is meant to create conflict between people pushing for stronger immigration policies (preventing illegals entering country and working here) and how to actually implement them.
The Homeland security folks (politicians?) who are behind this idea would have expected strong pushback in a community known for its central planning and organized resistance for things that don't make sense in this community.
I believe that some may want to portray us as NIMBYs and Xenophobes and force this issue with this location.
Thing is, as this thread shows, we are not NIMBY's nor Xenophobes. We clearly feel:
- We're ok with an ICE facility in our town. We've already hosted one and we support ICE's mission.
- Placement of an expanded center should make sense and integrate into the community.
- Current location is inappropriate. A facility that handles busloads of detainees is not suited in a stripmall with heavy foottraffic by children from neighboring developments.
- This type of facility should go into commercial / industrial zoned areas. Cary has many of those and sure we could find the right location.
I think we can control the image of our town as a sensible representation of the attitudes and fairness of communities across the country. Let's stay on message and not let the national media try to portray us in a bad light (as they try with the Wake Schools issue).
Right, but there are bollards that do meet the 15,000 55 mph standard and they don't look much different. A quick google check will show you some examples.
The federal buildings in downtown raleigh appear to have them. I'm not sure their presence is anything that would be a problem in a commercial zone since bollards are common already.
Look, I'm not saying this is the best use of the location, but the 15,000 55 mph protection requirement is not a strong point to argue when making a case against it since it isn't specific to and ICE facility (it is required of all federal buildings) which are located throughout the triangle.
You are right, there are many legitimate reasons why this facility should not be in a retail location. I was just pointing out that to meet the requirements of the RFP, a ring of bollards and gate meeting the 15,000/50mph requirements would have to go around the entire perimeter of the building and/or parking lot, not just a few at the front door. In my opinion, that is a very strong point against it and is the most outwardly visible hint that this is far from a retail use.
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Thurs July 14 ICE Meeting 5:00 Green Hope Elem
