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Sure, there are some blatant re-directs, but more often than not, I see people (both posters and others) saying things are off topic to the OP, when they're actually addressing the topic, but the person claiming that its off topic can't understand how it actually very much relates to the OP. That happens a lot on here. Not even speaking for my posts, but I've seen so many good posts on this forum, and some of the regional forums, being removed for off topic posts when they brought up important points that were relevant to the OPs.
I guess the ones I object to that seem like someone has an agenda, is when you go from discussing something that is very relationships-flavored, to a shift that looks like it belongs in another subforum entirely. And any attempt to stay remotely on track, the one person drags it right back THERE. You see the thread lock coming, and within hours, boom, there it is. But as I said, I'm just as irritated with myself, as with the other person, when I give in (as recently) and respond, when dangit I KNOW BETTER.
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I guess the ones I object to that seem like someone has an agenda, is when you go from discussing something that is very relationships-flavored, to a shift that looks like it belongs in another subforum entirely. And any attempt to stay remotely on track, the one person drags it right back THERE. You see the thread lock coming, and within hours, boom, there it is. But as I said, I'm just as irritated with myself, as with the other person, when I give in (as recently) and respond, when dangit I KNOW BETTER.
Sure, yeah, those happen. There was one recently where someone brought up hiring laws and civil rights and tying it to dating customs. Those are annoying.
Sure, yeah, those happen. There was one recently where someone brought up hiring laws and civil rights and tying it to dating customs. Those are annoying.
Some in the relationships forum could tell you how that's tied together.
...Or how the 'dems and libs' are somehow responsible for, or in a related category to finding a tiger cub in a bag. I don't care if the thread gets locked or not, they're just going to keep coming back to irritate, watching for someone to bite.
Through the course of a thread it's pretty normal for threads to drift, it's just when some jackalope comes in and does a total redirection which can be annoying. I know it just happened a day or two ago on a thread. It was pretty egregious and obvious the way they did it, but whatever.
I agree, it's pretty natural to drift. Anytime a "for instance" is brought up, it will spark new thought (even if the new thought is just more old thought). I know I remarked about that on one thread you started a while back, about men doing something. It ended up being argument about men vs. women, but it's really difficult to ask any sex-based question without calling up the other sex for comparison.
Nevertheless, at times it's just so obvious that the first thought is "Yeah, here we go again. SO done."
I agree with your summation that most of the threads seem like bait rather than discussion. Nothing looks terribly legitimate anymore, and I find that I come in, browse quickly, and nearly as often I also leave quickly. Anything? Anythi-- nope, must more of that. Hmm, nobody in the conversation thread... guess I'll go eat Cheetos and play in the dirt.
Does anyone else find they have a few acquaintances here they're loathe to give up, really enjoy talking to and dropping in... but also find this forum has gotten trollsy and often either lame or downright silly?
Yes! It was a friendly safe haven when I joined two years ago. Not so safe or friendly anymore. Some of the friends I made in the beginning have quit the forum and I miss them, though one still keeps in touch via email. I don’t post as much now but do check in most days to follow a few favored posters that haven’t given up yet. It just doesn’t have that same level of friendliness as before though. The trolls are soooo annoying. I’ve learned to be wary of first time posters!
I agree, it's pretty natural to drift. Anytime a "for instance" is brought up, it will spark new thought (even if the new thought is just more old thought). I know I remarked about that on one thread you started a while back, about men doing something. It ended up being argument about men vs. women, but it's really difficult to ask any sex-based question without calling up the other sex for comparison.
Nevertheless, at times it's just so obvious that the first thought is "Yeah, here we go again. SO done."
I agree with your summation that most of the threads seem like bait rather than discussion. Nothing looks terribly legitimate anymore, and I find that I come in, browse quickly, and nearly as often I also leave quickly. Anything? Anythi-- nope, must more of that. Hmm, nobody in the conversation thread... guess I'll go eat Cheetos and play in the dirt.
I get how people bring up subjects and use examples and that does naturally lead into conversation drift. It's just overall it reminds me of how poorly people actually communicate.
I've taken a new direction in my career and I went from more of a direct hands on technical guy to more of an "inspector" type of role and between the all of the report writing and sitting in meetings I'm really astonished just how little people actually communicate. There are competing agendas, people who just can't focus and express their thoughts and there are people that just wait for you to start talking so they can jump in. Hell, it's like watching someone waiting to jump into the double dutch ropes.
There, I done went and changed the direction of the conversation.
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Some in the relationships forum could tell you how that's tied together.
...Or how the 'dems and libs' are somehow responsible for, or in a related category to finding a tiger cub in a bag. I don't care if the thread gets locked or not, they're just going to keep coming back to irritate, watching for someone to bite.
Ha! Point taken, and fair enough, in their heads, they probably are.
The thing is, if every post 100% just dealt with the OP, then you really can't get to the core of the issues that the OP presents. It's just the way of life. I can't imagine trying to sit down with someone and say, hey, we're going to talk about XandY, and then say "objection, you're speaking of Z, reframe your statement to only speak of XandY"! It just doesn't work and isn't natural.
I was at this hole in the wall Mexican food joint for lunch and there was music playing and this guy walks in and is standing at the counter getting ready to order and he starts belting out singing along with the music. He sounded really good actually. LOL, this was an older Mexican guy and I can only assume Cinco de Mayo was starting early for this dude.
I saw a cool moth yesterday. A cecropia silk moth. Big, very fuzzy and fluffy, adorable. Read about the creature online, found that the adults don't eat, they don't even have mouths or a digestive system. They have one function, and that is to reproduce before they die.
Next time a woman gripes to me about some guy only having one thing on his mind, I'm gonna say, "You think you've got it bad, at least humans aren't like the moths..."
I agree, it's pretty natural to drift. Anytime a "for instance" is brought up, it will spark new thought (even if the new thought is just more old thought). I know I remarked about that on one thread you started a while back, about men doing something. It ended up being argument about men vs. women, but it's really difficult to ask any sex-based question without calling up the other sex for comparison.
Nevertheless, at times it's just so obvious that the first thought is "Yeah, here we go again. SO done."
I agree with your summation that most of the threads seem like bait rather than discussion. Nothing looks terribly legitimate anymore, and I find that I come in, browse quickly, and nearly as often I also leave quickly. Anything? Anythi-- nope, must more of that. Hmm, nobody in the conversation thread... guess I'll go eat Cheetos and play in the dirt.
dammit, I knew something was wrong when I was playing in the Cheetos. I need to go brush my teeth and rinse my mouth.
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dammit, I knew something was wrong when I was playing in the Cheetos. I need to go brush my teeth and rinse my mouth.