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Orthodox Jewish men thank God every day for not making them women. I agree with this sentiment. I can not imagine the hell it must be to be a women through all ages of history being mere rape-slaves and playthings for me. To be born a woman must be a terrible punishment for some awful crime in a past life. Women historically have been subhuman in the sense that their entire lives were devoted to being pleasurable toys. Perhaps Aristotle's definition of slave nature is correct, if women were not by nature slaves they would have committed suicide rather than endure such lives of indignity. Not that things have been all that much better for men. Women are but slaves of slaves.
Ok, an arugment that the species should self-select mass suicide. Fitting for this thread and forum, I guess. Next...
After all, YOU are the one who characterizes housewives as subhuman and without civil rights. No man has said that, no man has even HINTED at that. Some men actually respect women enough that they want to care for them! Imagine!
After all, YOU are the one who characterizes housewives as subhuman and without civil rights. No man has said that, no man has even HINTED at that. Some men actually respect women enough that they want to care for them! Imagine!
Certainly. And some men don't. A woman shouldn't have to depend on the availability of a man who wants to care for her; she shouldn't have to be forced to live with someone she doesn't love just because she needs someone to take care of her. She should have access to tools that will enable her to take care of herself. As for subhuman and lacking civil rights -- I don't care what anyone says; I look at substance. If you lack civil rights (such as the right to medical privacy or financial autonomy), then you lack civil rights, even if no one says you lack civil rights. Essentially, what you and your friends here are arguing is that the fewer rights women have, the happier they are. It's untrue, offensive and misogynistic.
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So...you seem bitter. Why?
You seem illogical. Why? You argue that just because some woman wants to go to college doesn't mean all women should. Okay, agreed. But then you also argue, simultaneously, that just because some woman wants to be an uneducated, totally dependent housewife, all women should want that too; that in fact all women do want that, even if for some reason, the majority of us are saying otherwise. You argue (in this thread and elsewhere) that just because something is important to someone, doesn't mean it should be important to you; but then you simultaneously claim that whatever is important to you should be important to everyone else as well, and whatever is worthless to you should be worthless to all. You contradict yourself at every turn. And since you cannot possibly defend those arguments on the merits, you are reduced to charging that I am "bitter". That is a classic -- counter a woman who says things you don't like by decrying the fact that she isn't chirpy enough. Hey -- don't worry about my happiness. It's not your place.
it hard more to do with the development of the suburbs than being a housewife. Remember they were knew had bad roads, every house looks the same, everyone wears the same clothes, and does the same thing
Redisca, only one of the women I have dated worked--not because of me though, they already made that decision on their own. Turns out, the one who worked never had time to spend with me. The rest had an actual relationship with me, and had full financial control over the money I brought in. I only earned it--it's hers to spend as she wishes.
As far as your second paragraph, you seem illogical--since I never addressed that point one way or the other.
And bitter. You should be content with the life YOU'VE chosen, but you're not happy, are you? I am.
Redisca, only one of the women I have dated worked--not because of me though, they already made that decision on their own. Turns out, the one who worked never had time to spend with me. The rest had an actual relationship with me, and had full financial control over the money I brought in. I only earned it--it's hers to spend as she wishes.
That's your personal business. I don't care. No one should be required to do things the way you do them.
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As far as your second paragraph, you seem illogical--since I never addressed that point one way or the other.
It seems you me, you haven't reached the subject of logic yet in your so-called "self-study".
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And bitter. You should be content with the life YOU'VE chosen, but you're not happy, are you? I am.
By making comments of this nature, you are proving every one of my points. My happiness, or lack thereof, IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Happiness has nothing to do with rights. And it has nothing to do with educational and professional opportunities. And -- IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Lecturing women on how they sound and on their perceived level of happiness is merely a manifestation of Male Privilege.
No one IS required--as I pointed out, that was their PERSONAL choice. As it is your personal choice to be bitter--but don't expect us to not call a spade a spade.
There is no "privilege" when everyone is entitled to do the same.
Originally Posted by Redisca;13942316
You seem illogical. Why? You argue that just because some woman wants to go to college doesn't mean [I
all[/i] women should. Okay, agreed. But then you also argue, simultaneously, that just because some woman wants to be an uneducated, totally dependent housewife, all women should want that too; that in fact all women do want that, even if for some reason, the majority of us are saying otherwise. You argue (in this thread and elsewhere) that just because something is important to someone, doesn't mean it should be important to you; but then you simultaneously claim that whatever is important to you should be important to everyone else as well, and whatever is worthless to you should be worthless to all.
Since I never once addressed this, it is illogical to ascribe something to me I never said.
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