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Old 11-16-2010, 08:04 AM
 
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Jesus wasn't even documented in any place other than the bible. Josephus, the Jewish historian mentioned his name as a scribe. No virgin birth or miracles, just a scribe.

The remainder of the bible falls within deep doubt because of that. That is just my opinion.



Well there are accounts of Josephus saying that Jesus was raised from the dead. However non believers will say those are just lies. There are historical accounts that speak of the three hours of darkness which occured when Christ died on the cross. Yet non believers tend to ignore such historical accounts. And just as there is evidence of the Red Sea crossing. Most non belivers just simply try to explain it away. And when extra Biblical accounts discovered describe that event, and are carved in stone. Non believers don't want to hear it. The evidence for the Bible is there. And that evidence should not give anyone with an open mind any reason to doubt the Bible. In fact, it should be just the oppsite.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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Arequipa and all you others still talking to C34...just put him on ignore. You know he never accepts fact or evidence, but insists on dwelling in a perpetual state of denial and delusion. There's a bunch of us now that have him on ignore, because he just rants about hoaxes and fairy tales being real. He's a sad, deluded lost cause. Move on to someone who actually has something worthwhile to discuss.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:51 AM
 
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Arequipa and all you others still talking to C34...just put him on ignore. You know he never accepts fact or evidence, but insists on dwelling in a perpetual state of denial and delusion. There's a bunch of us now that have him on ignore, because he just rants about hoaxes and fairy tales being real. He's a sad, deluded lost cause. Move on to someone who actually has something worthwhile to discuss.



Well Mercury Cougar, care to tell us what facts your are talking about? And if I was in a state of denial and delusion, then we would not be looking at pictures of 18 foot Red Granit pillars with all those Biblical names carved in them, would we? And the reason you have me on your ignore lists. Is because you cannot explain why such pillars, and other such evidence exist. And for some like yourself, it maybe always easier to ignore that evidence, and then attack the person who presented it. So if you need to run and hide Mercury Cougar. I will understand. It's hard to defend your position when you have no real answers. And of course, when you have no real defense. You can always stoop to character assassination.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Well there are accounts of Josephus saying that Jesus was raised from the dead.
And it is well known that those words found in Testimonium Flavianum are later additions put in there by Christian copyists. You can argue against it all you want, but it changes nothing.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Well there are accounts of Josephus saying that Jesus was raised from the dead. However non believers will say those are just lies. There are historical accounts that speak of the three hours of darkness which occured when Christ died on the cross. Yet non believers tend to ignore such historical accounts. And just as there is evidence of the Red Sea crossing. Most non belivers just simply try to explain it away. And when extra Biblical accounts discovered describe that event, and are carved in stone. Non believers don't want to hear it. The evidence for the Bible is there. And that evidence should not give anyone with an open mind any reason to doubt the Bible. In fact, it should be just the oppsite.
I would be very interested to see your reference. For that matter any reference to "Jesus of Nazareth" from any reliable source. That of course does not include the bible.
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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I would be very interested to see your reference. For that matter any reference to "Jesus of Nazareth" from any reliable source. That of course does not include the bible.

Darkness at the crucifixion.

Darkness at the crucifixion: metaphor or real history?

Red Sea Crossing

The Hebrew Red Sea Crossing (Exodus)
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Well old chap Solomon is spoken of in the Bible.
So are virgin births, global floods and towers that reach the sky but we know what nonsense that is.

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And his name is also found on those 18 foot Red Granit pillars at the beach of Nuweiba. So you would be wrong if you thought there was no historical evidence for his existance. However, like all non believers. Now you will have even more evidence to ignore.
Sorry old horse but the ramblings of a moron like Ron Wyatt are just something to laugh at.

"Wyatt's interest in the crossing of the Red Sea by the Hebrews became focused on the site of Nuweiba in Egypt because it seemed to fit some of the description of Biblical and historical accounts of the geography. It was while diving along the beach at Nuweiba that he found what he said were chariot parts.

During his first visit to Nuweiba in 1978 he found a large column lying on the beach that looked like an ancient artifact. Later he found that it had been set up by Egyptian authorities in concrete for display. He believed it to be a marker set up by King Solomon to note the crossing of the Red Sea."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/chariot-wheels.htm
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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"Creation Ministries" and "Bible Probe"!!

Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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And it is well known that those words found in Testimonium Flavianum are later additions put in there by Christian copyists. You can argue against it all you want, but it changes nothing.
Well Fullback, this is really getting off topic. Of course nonbelievers push the addition theory. Yet what do the scholars have to say. I will leave you with this link below. The actual topic here is No Egyptian documentation of the events described in Exodus.

Evidence for Jesus - Understanding Josephus' comment
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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"Creation Ministries" and "Bible Probe"!!

Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Did you really think that National Geographic would explore the three hours of darkness during the death of Christ on the cross Rafius? And for the record, everything spoken of in the link can be found in the historical record. So don't blame Creation Ministries. Of course I believe you guys would like others to believe that such accounts are only found in Christian publications. And naturally, that would be just another fales belief imbraced by unbelievers.
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