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Old 02-01-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Are you being naive. Parents can be surrigate or adopted-adopting for that. In many ways, parents are necessary for being-there for their children's lives. But God is the value the child cannot be Brought to understand without his own meaning from lessons. What is instilled is always the tautology: I must do what I got to do, and the double standards for teh identity of Who I Am.
You make it sound as if it would be impossible for someone brought up as an atheist to develop a spiritual outlook of any kind. It isn't.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I see yours did a bang up job, you have even boasted about not going to their funeral.

well, you know...

they WERE atheists....

their values weren't worth adopting, so I didn't.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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That's not even remotely comparable. You already have established facts involved into that equation: You go to work, you get paid.

Where are those established facts in your chosen belief system?

There's no guarantee that I'll be paid even when I work. But the odds are pretty good, and worth taking the risk.
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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And going to work is a commitment. Since you appear to resist commitment I am surprised that you haven't searched for and found another thing that brings you reward.
What's wrong with "commitment"? Going to work, by the way, is just something I do, it keeps me from being bored.

Should I go out and do something else that offers financial reward, but with more risk of punishment? Of course not, it's about avoiding punishment.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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What's wrong with "commitment"? Going to work, by the way, is just something I do, it keeps me from being bored.

Should I go out and do something else that offers financial reward, but with more risk of punishment? Of course not, it's about avoiding punishment.
Your entire attitude and manner of thinking is beyond acknowledgment by any thinking person, believer or non-believer. Cowardly, in fact, along with an enormous dose of ego.
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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There's no guarantee that I'll be paid even when I work. But the odds are pretty good, and worth taking the risk.

Nope, not worth taking the risk. Unless, you're saving the planet.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Why isn't it? If I work, I get to eat. I get to have a place to live.

I don't work, I get to have neither of those things. So it's beneficial to do so.

Let's come up with another extreme example. Let's say that they hold a contest, and all you have to do to win a shiny new car is believe that 2+2=5. Can you "believe" that...pay it lip service? Now, let's add a little catch, if you refuse to agree that 2+2=5, you are killed within an hour of the offer being made.

Is it any harder to simply "believe" whatever someone wants you to believe?

I took an oath when I joined the military, I said the words they wanted me to say, but in my head I was thinking "whatever..."

They didn't worry about what I thought, as long as I verbally expressed the oath, and agreed to take said oath. I never had to say that I was going to live and die by it, and there's no way I would. But I can pay it lip service, why not?
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Why isn't it? If I work, I get to eat. I get to have a place to live.

I don't work, I get to have neither of those things. So it's beneficial to do so.

Let's come up with another extreme example. Let's say that they hold a contest, and all you have to do to win a shiny new car is believe that 2+2=5. Can you "believe" that...pay it lip service? Now, let's add a little catch, if you refuse to agree that 2+2=5, you are killed within an hour of the offer being made.

Is it any harder to simply "believe" whatever someone wants you to believe?

I took an oath when I joined the military, I said the words they wanted me to say, but in my head I was thinking "whatever..."

They didn't worry about what I thought, as long as I verbally expressed the oath, and agreed to take said oath. I never had to say that I was going to live and die by it, and there's no way I would. But I can pay it lip service, why not?

Gee, finally! An admission that you are a liar indicating that nothing you say or claim to believe should be listened to since it is probably false.

Nice of you to clear that up.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Why isn't it? If I work, I get to eat. I get to have a place to live.

I don't work, I get to have neither of those things. So it's beneficial to do so.

Let's come up with another extreme example. Let's say that they hold a contest, and all you have to do to win a shiny new car is believe that 2+2=5. Can you "believe" that...pay it lip service? Now, let's add a little catch, if you refuse to agree that 2+2=5, you are killed within an hour of the offer being made.

Is it any harder to simply "believe" whatever someone wants you to believe?

I took an oath when I joined the military, I said the words they wanted me to say, but in my head I was thinking "whatever..."

They didn't worry about what I thought, as long as I verbally expressed the oath, and agreed to take said oath. I never had to say that I was going to live and die by it, and there's no way I would. But I can pay it lip service, why not?

And then there are some who say that the recent accomplished prosperity which has come to life on the post-occident Humanly developed Earth should be taken advantage of. We can work less and not hinder the natural tendency for surviving the planet. On the local front there were candidates for mayor who actually promoted lose life and frivolity for the youth. Figure that.
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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And then there are some who say that the recent accomplished prosperity which has come to life on the post-occident Humanly developed Earth should be taken advantage of. We can work less and not hinder the natural tendency for surviving the planet. On the local front there were candidates for mayor who actually promoted lose life and frivolity for the youth. Figure that.
Prosperity requires continued hard work--by someone. If you can get by not working and taking advantage of those who do, that's your call.
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