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Old 01-30-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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There's a third possibility you don't bother to mention: The god you worship is not the one that exists. Therefore, you're still getting it wrong and you may actually have something to lose. You're still basically randomly gambling and trying to make it sound like an informed decision.
Obviously, if there is any god, that must be the one I had been worshipping. I'm not omniscient.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Yet according to the belief system you stated, this all knowing "god" of your punishes those that do not believe, yet is fooled into accepting you because you pretend to believe, just in case?

Quite a belief system you have there.

No...because I CHOOSE to believe based on the odds, rather than "just because". Blind faith is less valuable than a conscious decision.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:40 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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No...because I CHOOSE to believe based on the odds, rather than "just because". Blind faith is less valuable than a conscious decision.
So you choose?

Does that make you choice more valid or truer than anyone elses?

Does it satisfy this god of yours that you choose to attempt to fool it make it worth redemption?

Does it mean that you think parents should be impelled to teach such a belief system?

In yuor reply, please attempt to stick to the topic.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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So you choose?

Does that make you choice more valid or truer than anyone elses?

Does it satisfy this god of yours that you choose to attempt to fool it make it worth redemption?

Does it mean that you think parents should be impelled to teach such a belief system?

In yuor reply, please attempt to stick to the topic.
the active is always a better option than the passive.

it doesn't mean it was the RIGHT action, or make it more valid, but it's better than passively "knowing" or "not knowing".

parents can teach whatever they like, it does not mean that the offspring have to adopt their beliefs. the offspring may CHOOSE to do so, but it isn't necessary. my own parents were stridently atheist, like some on the thread here, and abusive and nasty people not worthy of emulation.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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the active is always a better option than the passive.

it doesn't mean it was the RIGHT action, or make it more valid, but it's better than passively "knowing" or "not knowing".

parents can teach whatever they like, it does not mean that the offspring have to adopt their beliefs. the offspring may CHOOSE to do so, but it isn't necessary. my own parents were stridently atheist, like some on the thread here, and abusive and nasty people not worthy of emulation.
Wait a minute here. What is that commandment? Honor Thy
Father And Mother?
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Is it necessary to obey ANY of the commandments?

I don't believe so.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:51 PM
 
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the active is always a better option than the passive.

it doesn't mean it was the RIGHT action, or make it more valid, but it's better than passively "knowing" or "not knowing".

parents can teach whatever they like, it does not mean that the offspring have to adopt their beliefs. the offspring may CHOOSE to do so, but it isn't necessary. my own parents were stridently atheist, like some on the thread here, and abusive and nasty people not worthy of emulation.
You truly are full of assumptions which may be correct for you but be nonsense to others. You don't stake out a position, you seem to equivocate, claiming to chose only that which you deem to most benefit you.

If there truly is a god, you would be doomed by this action.

If there truly is no god, your actions are cowardly and silly.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Of course I can only speak of what most benefits me.

It is not my place to speak for other people, or is it anyone else's place to speak for me.


The understanding that I have is only that belief is necessary. The reasoning or qualifiers for that belief are unimportant.
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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Obviously, if there is any god, that must be the one I had been worshipping. I'm not omniscient.
Wrong and that kind of thinking shows a huge lack of imagination on your part. Considering the near endless possibilities in regards to what constitutes a higher power and its possible involvement with our lives, you have basically thrown a dart randomly and latched onto it. The reality is that if there is a higher power, it may not even remotely resemble anything you have chosen to worship. You don't have to be omniscient to understand that.
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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No...because I CHOOSE to believe based on the odds, rather than "just because". Blind faith is less valuable than a conscious decision.
And how exactly have you quantified the odds on something you have no evidence for to begin with?
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