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I do not review religiously biased sites. They hold nothing but propaganda.
I stand by my statement that openmindedness is only associated with accepting his point of view.
You don't have to side with me at all. It's as HsvMike stated. You're the type of person that sees who writes something and if you don't like that, you throw the whole thing out the window. Your refusal to review religiously biased sites not only proves your immaturity, but your narrow-mindedness. I could say the same for Evolution, which is in fact the creeds for the religion of Humanism! However, I still watch movies and informational programs on the History and Discovery Channel that are all about an evolutionary history of the universe. Why? Because although they are evolutionary and anti-god, there is still considerable information to learn from. I realize they are biased as well, but there's still facts presented on those shows regardless of what position on the beginnings are. I just filter the information through common sense, facts, evidence, and of course the Bible, and reject the chaff while accepting the wheat! Evolutionary teaching and material is much more biased than Creationary teaching and material ever will be. Creationism is actually liberating and allows for much more continuity and leverage and less swiss cheese theorism than Evolutionism, which greatly limits this by it's own doctrines and scenarios and explanations better suited to defining or explaining phenomena throughout history! Is Creation biased? I'm sure there are biased sites. I'm not stupid or naive! But Evolution is far more biased than Creation ever will be because at the heart of Evolutionary thinking, they fundamentally cannot answer the most pertinent question, "Where did matter originally come from?" Evolution is so full of wholes as a theory (hence my "swiss cheese" terminology earlier) that it raises far more questions than it answers - explained by the vast book of enigmas - which, incidentally, is nearly eliminated when the Creation model is interjected! Can Creationists explain every jot and tittle down to every sand grain on every sea shore? Of course not! That's insane! However, when it comes to theories and hypotheses, I would much rather listem learn, and adhere to one that is the most sound, logical, and the one that has their ducks in a row, and the one that can explain more and leave less questions at the end of the day! It's not a matter of me being right or wrong. it's a matter of what best fits all, ALL of the questions and evidence. Again, if anybody can look at life and believe it arose from a blind-chance accidental explosion, then they might as well believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny! you might as well go blow up a factory and let the debris form itself into cars, computers, and houses! Historical, archaeological, and even legend and mythology which are rooted in fact all point to a recent Creation, Flood, and language change. The Ice Age, dinosaurs, etc., all fit within a young-earth timeframe. Fine, you don't wish to believe in this because it's "all written by biased Christians bent on deception and religious domination" you are welcome to believe what you will. But biased or not, like it or not, believe it or not, agree with it or not, all of the available facts speak for themselves and that is a relatively young universe and earth, dinosaurs and people coexisting, ancient technology on a level that allowed man to fly in air and space, the ice age resulting from the flood - extreme catastrophism in a relatively short time. All ancient cultures attested to this and also attested to the fact they descended from Noah and one of his three sons, Shem, ham, or Japheth. These cultures were not Christian nor did they have the Bible, but they knew their origins, something greatly lacking these days. If people studied their history as our ancestors did, we would know our origins! I know mine! People only believe ignorant things if they are themselves ignorant! People would not believe we evolved from slime or ape-like ancestors if we had continually studied and kept on top of our origins all these millennia! Belief in evolution and life from slime is just as stupid as belief that the universe formed from ancient dragon wars in which the defeated dragons were torn asunder and became the celestial bodies including earth!
You don't have to side with me at all. It's as HsvMike stated. You're the type of person that sees who writes something and if you don't like that, you throw the whole thing out the window.
Pot, kettle, black??
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Your refusal to review religiously biased sites not only proves your immaturity, but your narrow-mindedness. I could say the same for Evolution, which is in fact the creeds for the religion of Humanism!
Well, then go ahead and say it.. Oh wait, you're about to...
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However, I still watch movies and informational programs on the History and Discovery Channel that are all about an evolutionary history of the universe.
Apparently not enough as you are about to prove in the next couple of paragraphs.
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Why? Because although they are evolutionary and anti-god, there is still considerable information to learn from.
I don't ever remember hearing on the Discovery Channel that God did not exist. Could you please point to me where they posit this notion? Oh wait... it seems you are trying to paint the picture that as soon as someone does not include God into something that it is automatically "anti-God".
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I realize they are biased as well, but there's still facts presented on those shows regardless of what position on the beginnings are.
You realize there are facts? Such as what? Enlighten me, because you've done nothing but make blanket assertions of both evolution and science as a whole so far. I'm a little curious as to how you distinguish fact from fiction in this case? Or are you being biased yourself?
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I just filter the information through common sense, facts, evidence, and of course the Bible, and reject the chaff while accepting the wheat!
Common sense, facts, evidence, and the Bible? Ok, fine. I don't have a problem with that. But, under what circumstances do you override evidence, facts, and common sense with a Biblical view?
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Evolutionary teaching and material is much more biased than Creationary teaching and material ever will be.
Because it has the supporting evidence, material, facts, and common sense that you claim to purport yourself? Therefore it is biased? I dare say not. It seems you're trying to paint the picture that you are well versed in evolutionary theory because you've examined all the evidence yet you're about to destroy your own argument coming up shortly.
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Creationism is actually liberating and allows for much more continuity and leverage and less swiss cheese theorism than Evolutionism,
Liberating? You mean by adhering to a strictly Biblical point of view in pointing out that there is no other possibility? How is that liberating? Science is certainly falsifiable. That's one of the tenants of science that makes it so important. Whereas, belief resides in arguments of unfalsifiability. I fail to see how Creationism becomes the liberating thing you talk about?
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which greatly limits this by it's own doctrines and scenarios and explanations better suited to defining or explaining phenomena throughout history!
Could you explain to me the Evolutionary doctrine that you speak of? I can't seem to find it anywhere. You mean being rooted on empirically and merited science? That's a doctrine? Well, that's odd... Considering that you claim to be such a science buff, I'm still curious as to how you distinguish fact from fiction. Oh wait.. I think I get it... Anything that conflicts with the Bible is now a doctrine, not true, and that makes you not closed-minded (and liberated) how?
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Is Creation biased?
If you mean that it fails to acknowledge scientific empiricism because of its' lackluster waning for convincing itself that the Bible is literally the truth than yes I would consider it biased.
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I'm not stupid or naive!
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But Evolution is far more biased than Creation ever will be because at the heart of Evolutionary thinking, they fundamentally cannot answer the most pertinent question, "Where did matter originally come from?"
I don't think that's in the realm of evolution. Where on Earth in all of your Discovery Channel watching did you see that evolution explains the origins of matter? Please, enlighten me. Or is that a cannard from one of those non-biased Creationist sites you have snaked your way through? Seriously... This is where you begin to show your lack of education on the matter and I'm not being facetious. Evolution does not even attempt to try and explain the origin of matter. Perhaps you mean quantum physics, cosmology, and atomic theory? Certainly not evolution?
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Evolution is so full of wholes as a theory (hence my "swiss cheese" terminology earlier) that it raises far more questions than it answers - explained by the vast book of enigmas - which, incidentally, is nearly eliminated when the Creation model is interjected!
Oh wait... here's the unbiased opinion your talking about. Interject the Creation model (which has no scientific support) and all of a sudden everything else crumbles? Again, I'm wondering how your rant on someone's "intolerance" has become nothing more than a hypocritical counter-point?
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Can Creationists explain every jot and tittle down to every sand grain on every sea shore?Of course not! That's insane!
Hey you said it was insane. Not me.
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However, when it comes to theories and hypotheses, I would much rather listem learn, and adhere to one that is the most sound, logical, and the one that has their ducks in a row, and the one that can explain more and leave less questions at the end of the day!
So, you now adhere to the principles of science?? I'm confused...
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It's not a matter of me being right or wrong. it's a matter of what best fits all, ALL of the questions and evidence.
While I respect your belief and your desire to have it, and the fact that it may be the best fit for you, it does not fit the questions and evidence. I'm sorry. It just doesn't. I mean, we can sit here and banter all day back and forth, but the fact remains that scientific empiricism has explained a lot more than the Bible has.
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Again, if anybody can look at life and believe it arose from a blind-chance accidental explosion, then they might as well believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny! you might as well go blow up a factory and let the debris form itself into cars, computers, and houses!
Ahhhh.... and here it is. The great Creationist cannard of ignorance that tells me you have no inkling of how it all works. I thought you said you watched the Discovery Channel?! Surely, the Discovery Channel didn't propose this theory. In fact, why don't you explain to me the part of evolutionary theory that says life just "blew up" one day. Go ahead. Try it. Let's see how you do. I'd like to know your complexity from explosions argument because that's a new one on me.
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Historical, archaeological, and even legend and mythology which are rooted in fact all point to a recent Creation, Flood, and language change.
Really? Such as what? And you can leave the legend and mythology part out of it. That's pretty ridiculous to be observable evidence. So, go ahead, let's see what you come up with that explains all of this in a scientific manner. Or, are you just being closed-minded as you insist that you are not?
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The Ice Age, dinosaurs, etc., all fit within a young-earth timeframe.
Wow, you're really stooping low. You've got a lot of explaining to do. I'm sure there are scientists at Harvard, Yale, MIT, Tokyo University, Oxford, Cambridge, and on and on and on that would be delighted to hear of this so obvious evidence they've overlooked. What have YOU discovered that blows every scientific finding out of the water other than your own closed-minded faith that you insist you don't have?
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Fine, you don't wish to believe in this because it's "all written by biased Christians bent on deception and religious domination" you are welcome to believe what you will.
No, that's preposterous. Just because I don't like something does not mean it doesn't exist. I don't like the way Hitler deceived and used socialist domination but it doesn't make him any less real. Why? Because the evidence suggests that Hitler was real. On a different note, the evidence does not point to a Biblically historically accurate timeline for the creation of the earth, humans, or the universe. I'm sorry it doesn't and therefore I don't believe. It has nothing to do with a personal distaste for Christians "bent on deception" although they do leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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But biased or not, like it or not, believe it or not, agree with it or not, all of the available facts speak for themselves and that is a relatively young universe and earth, dinosaurs and people coexisting, ancient technology on a level that allowed man to fly in air and space, the ice age resulting from the flood - extreme catastrophism in a relatively short time.
You're really digging yourself in deep. Seriously, do you have any idea of what you're talking about? Or was the whole Discovery channel thing just a "foot in the door" for what you thought would be an impervious rant to knock someone out of the water?
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All ancient cultures attested to this and also attested to the fact they descended from Noah and one of his three sons, Shem, ham, or Japheth.
Tell me the story of Jepthah and his daughter again. That was a good one. How did it go? Wasn't that the rape of a young girl Ok'd by God? I forget from time to time...
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These cultures were not Christian nor did they have the Bible, but they knew their origins, something greatly lacking these days.
Oh yeah... Those people in the Bronze Age Middle East knew all the answers....
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If people studied their history as our ancestors did, we would know our origins!
We do know our origins. It's called evolution as a result of natural selection and survival of the fittest. It's been rather proven. You should watch the Discovery Channel sometime and check it out... Oh wait... Nevermind you probably already saw that episode.
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I know mine! People only believe ignorant things if they are themselves ignorant!
Pot, kettle, black again?
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People would not believe we evolved from slime or ape-like ancestors if we had continually studied and kept on top of our origins all these millennia!
You mean if we had subdued science the way the church did in the past? You mean if we rejected any evidence that didn't fit in with a Biblical worldview? How on Earth can you say that and then call someone closed-minded?
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Belief in evolution and life from slime is just as stupid as belief that the universe formed from ancient dragon wars in which the defeated dragons were torn asunder and became the celestial bodies including earth!
And yet it's still entirely more rooted in fact than a Biblical Creation.
Florida about 90% of scientist believe in evolution. Most priest believe in evolution well the ones i know (i go to a catholic school) most catholics and Christians scientist believe in evolution. It seems like these people would be bias towards your argument, but in fact its just ignorant people that know nothing about evolution and already gave their final opinion about evolution before learning about it.
Im an atheist by the way however you need to stop with your close mindness. I dont have to remind you that evolution is science not a religion so there is no reason to be bios for evolution.
Now we might make the argument that the bible credibility and historical as well as scientific records are all flawed. (by the way scientific one has already been proven flawed)
CHICAGO (AP) — A 14-year-old girl and her outspoken atheist father filed a federal lawsuit Friday challenging a new Illinois law requiring a brief period of prayer or reflective silence at the start of every school day.
No one was ever forced to say a prayer. I think that it would be totally wrong if they were. All they were saying was sit quietly and relax for a short time. Use that time to do anything you want to do. If she was pressured or forced to say a prayer then it would be a problem.
True, however the Constitution prohibits state governments from issuing religious advice.
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I think that it would be totally wrong if they were. All they were saying was sit quietly and relax for a short time. Use that time to do anything you want to do. If she was pressured or forced to say a prayer then it would be a problem.
If government is competent to issue sound religious advice, why isn't it qualified to enforce compliance with that sound advice?
True, however the Constitution prohibits state governments from issuing religious advice.
If government is competent to issue sound religious advice, why isn't it qualified to enforce compliance with that sound advice?
If I am not mistaken, you contradicted yourself with these two comments.
First you say that the Constitution prohibits the government from issuing religious advice, then in the next statement you say it is competent to give religious advice and should enforce compliance. Well which one is it?
No one should be forced to say a prayer. I see prayer as being very personal. Even if someone at my own church would try and force me to say a prayer I would not be happy about it. When I pray and what I pray about is between me and God. Especially if someone does not believe, they really should not be forced to. But as I said, no one is forcing anyone to say a prayer, just sit quietly. Plain and simple.
If I am not mistaken, you contradicted yourself with these two comments.
First you say that the Constitution prohibits the government from issuing religious advice, then in the next statement you say it is competent to give religious advice and should enforce compliance. Well which one is it?
Civil government isn't competent to give religious advice or orders.
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No one should be forced to say a prayer.
No one's religion should be influenced by government.
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I see prayer as being very personal.
No you don't, dude. You see prayer as a matter over which the government may exercise advisory authority.
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Even if someone at my own church would try and force me to say a prayer I would not be happy about it.
But you have no problem with government giving you advice regarding prayer.
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When I pray and what I pray about is between me and God.
You believe prayer is between you, God and the government, dude. That's why you have no problem with the civil authorities issuing religious advice.
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Especially if someone does not believe, they really should not be forced to.
Why not, dude? You believe the government gives sound religious advice. If the advice is good, why not give the government the power to enforce what you believe is good advice?
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...no one is forcing anyone to say a prayer...
Where did the state get the power to give us religious advice?
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