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Old 12-26-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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I agree in part. The not fully known yet... Smacks of materiallistic of the gaps.
that's where we get to choose. Are we basing our beliefs on what is known or what is not known?

My brother just told me today "I believe because of the bible.". I told him: I don't believe in a Christian god because my data made cell phones.
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Old 12-26-2019, 04:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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I don't know if humans can solve everything. I only am only sure that when people need to ignore science in religion/spirituality discussion they are hiding something. They are not in this for the same reasons most of are.
Yea I don't know that humans can solve everything either. Science is fine. It can take over a conversation about spirituality and create a diversion. Not that crazy about that. But science is ok. More interested in the spirituality than the science but we're all different.
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:17 PM
 
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Yea I don't know that humans can solve everything either. Science is fine. It can take over a conversation about spirituality and create a diversion. Not that crazy about that. But science is ok. More interested in the spirituality than the science but we're all different.
I actually think hear-say causes more diversion than the scientific method. I wish it had another name.

science tries to explain how things work. It is not for against anything. If humans are spiritual, it tries to explain how humans work. If humans are non spiritual it only explains how humans work.
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Old 12-26-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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I actually think hear-say causes more diversion than the scientific method. I wish it had another name.

science tries to explain how things work. It is not for against anything. If humans are spiritual, it tries to explain how humans work. If humans are non spiritual it only explains how humans work.
When I got a question about something spiritual, I don't ever look to science for the answer.
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Old 12-26-2019, 06:34 PM
 
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When I got a question about something spiritual, I don't ever look to science for the answer.
neither does my brother. we are in the middle of our mom dying (Hours left). He doesn't want to hear one thing I say. He just tells the nurses and social workers, don't mind him he doesn't believe in anything. I answer "I believe he is a dorkhole." we laugh.
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Old 12-26-2019, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Southern Illinois
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I saw the title and I thought, “oh what a fascinating thread,” and then I saw all the arguing. Really guys?
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Old 12-27-2019, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Townsville QLD Australia.
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I saw the title and I thought, “oh what a fascinating thread,” and then I saw all the arguing. Really guys?
If you thought it was a fascinating thread, then you should have put in, your two bobs worth, only to find that your opinion or belief in past life memories, would only contradict many of the other opinions and beliefs put forward in this thread.

You don't think for one moment, that all the others in this thread would agree with your belief, do you?
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Old 12-27-2019, 03:47 AM
 
Location: Germany
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I agree in part. The not fully known yet... Smacks of materiallistic of the gaps.
That makes no sense. We have evidence for materialism. Take a baseball bat and hit yourself on the head. It hurts. This is what we would expect from materialism or naturalism (including quantum mechanics, usw). So we are basing our prediction on what we know. This is Bayesian. The god of the gaps argument is basing it's prediction on the opposite of what we know.
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Old 12-27-2019, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Germany
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So you give no credance to historians who say noahs ark was found and ransacked for talismans. Which is what josephus says nickolus of demascus states was what happened in his day. Thus nickolus was an eye witness of this happening.
From Antiquities.

However, the Armenians call this place, The Place of Descent; for the ark being saved in that place, its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day.

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Nay, Nicolaus of Damascus, in his ninety-sixth book, hath a particular relation about them; where he speaks thus: "There is a great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris, upon which it is reported that many who fled at the time of the Deluge were saved; and that one who was carried in an ark came on shore upon the top of it; and that the remains of the timber were a great while preserved. This might be the man about whom Moses the legislator of the Jews wrote."

I see nothing that says he was an eyewitness. Can you please give me the passage you are referring to.
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Old 12-27-2019, 04:37 AM
 
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neither does my brother. we are in the middle of our mom dying (Hours left). He doesn't want to hear one thing I say. He just tells the nurses and social workers, don't mind him he doesn't believe in anything. I answer "I believe he is a dorkhole." we laugh.
I am sorry you and your family are going through this difficult time.
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