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Old 12-27-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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neither does my brother. we are in the middle of our mom dying (Hours left). He doesn't want to hear one thing I say. He just tells the nurses and social workers, don't mind him he doesn't believe in anything. I answer "I believe he is a dorkhole." we laugh.
My thoughts are with you, Arach.
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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I agree in part. The not fully known yet... Smacks of materiallistic of the gaps.
Could be ...

So we can base our belief on the gaps or we can base our beliefs on a unifying theory that links the actual data points with the understanding that its ok to change it based on new information.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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I thought this statement of mine was pretty definitive: "I don't believe in the biblical account of the Great Flood. Period".
Yet the biblical flood talks on noahs ark.
So do you believe what the historians said about noahs ark.
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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that's where we get to choose. Are we basing our beliefs on what is known or what is not known?

My brother just told me today "I believe because of the bible.". I told him: I don't believe in a Christian god because my data made cell phones.
So then you agree it a a fill in the gaps choice. Thamks your the first athiest i have come accrss that has admitted that
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:53 AM
 
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That makes no sense. We have evidence for materialism. Take a baseball bat and hit yourself on the head. It hurts. This is what we would expect from materialism or naturalism (including quantum mechanics, usw). So we are basing our prediction on what we know. This is Bayesian. The god of the gaps argument is basing it's prediction on the opposite of what we know.
Lol if ypu had evidence then there would be no gaps in your theroy. Thus you make a choice and fill those gaps with your theroy of materialism. However the only athiest i have seen admit as much is the one a few of the athiest dispise because of his honesty
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Old 12-27-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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From Antiquities.

However, the Armenians call this place, The Place of Descent; for the ark being saved in that place, its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day.

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Nay, Nicolaus of Damascus, in his ninety-sixth book, hath a particular relation about them; where he speaks thus: "There is a great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris, upon which it is reported that many who fled at the time of the Deluge were saved; and that one who was carried in an ark came on shore upon the top of it; and that the remains of the timber were a great while preserved. This might be the man about whom Moses the legislator of the Jews wrote."

I see nothing that says he was an eyewitness. Can you please give me the passage you are referring to.

I will have to see if i can find it again. However what you posted still shows historians speaking of an ark
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:00 AM
 
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neither does my brother. we are in the middle of our mom dying (Hours left). He doesn't want to hear one thing I say. He just tells the nurses and social workers, don't mind him he doesn't believe in anything. I answer "I believe he is a dorkhole." we laugh.
Sorry to hear about your mother aa my prayers are wth you
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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No. It is based on very basic desires a human has and, phetaroi, for 70 yo adult you tend to be very personally offensive, if you do not understand something. Especially for a claimed Buddhist. Choose words wisely, remember what Buddha said about word.

Humans have very basic desires:
- sex
- food
- power
- possessions
Hence, lives are mostly oscillating around them. Seven deadly sins pretty much are in that category. Greed, gluttony, adultery. Oppressing others. Murdering.
Hence, you have 4 words pretty much covering those actions - pornography, criminal, greed and gluttony manuals. With greed being not just for possessions but, for power also. If one was to remember his lives, it'd have been a manual how to do worse, more and not get punished.


I am very careful choosing my wording. Sometimes, it is simply not to the esteemed reviewers highest standards, I guess. Yes, this is called sarcasm.



Again, instead of idly conversing here, I do encourage you to watch Groundhog Day, for this exactly purpose. It is very educative, if you were to look at it from a proper perspective.
Wow... you took those 4 basic desires to their extreme. Nothing like going overboard.

I haven't been fortunate enough to recall past lives. But what you forget is that there is also a lot of healing that can be done working with them. People who have done it have healed phobias and relationships and it helps them in this lifetime.

BTW, I have seen Groundhog Day. Not for the reason you are mentioning it but because its an area we are interested in in our state. It was filmed here. But as to the movie and how it might relate to past lives, he only repeated a day. And even in that, he had healing at the end because of the changes he made.
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Could be ...

So we can base our belief on the gaps or we can base our beliefs on a unifying theory that links the actual data points with the understanding that its ok to change it based on new information.
I agree but we both know worldviews differ on theroy.i basr mine on design. Its observible throughout the universe but what is observed is disregarded as only looking like design. If design was only seen in 1 thing they might have an excuss to say that but as it is seen throughout the universe they are without excuse.

Anyway we better move away from science before we get in trouble
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Old 12-27-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yet the biblical flood talks on noahs ark.
So do you believe what the historians said about noahs ark.
1. I'll repeat it again, and no matter how many times you ask I'm not going to say what you want to me to say. I don't believe in the biblical account of noah's ark. I don't believe there was a world-wide flood. I don't believe a man named noah constructed a wooden boat that could hold two of every type of animal in the world (and btw, how about plants). And I defy you to prove there ever was such an actual man as noah.

2. Quite a few years ago I remember reading a very good article about the occasional claims of finding noah's ark, and I remember the archaeologist saying something along the lines of every expedition that goes out look for noah's ark seems to find it.

3. The problem with most of these claims is that the claims are almost never made by neutral scientific/archaeologic investigators. They're virtually always made by highly biased "scientists" who have a preconceived idea of what they want to find. For example, one of the most recent "scientific" claims was made by scientists from the Geoscience Research Institute. And who funds that? The Seventh-day Adventist Church whose goal is to support the claims of the bible. Their center is at Loma Linda University -- owned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. And they preach creationism.
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