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Old 08-20-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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Sure, but there is a very real legal distinction between legal discrimination and illegal discrimination. The State has had no trouble showing why this age based restriction on liberty is appropriate, and does not have to rely on religious dogma to do so.

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It's not discrimination. It's regulation.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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Driving a car is a privilege, not a civil right.
So is marriage.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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It's not discrimination. It's regulation.
Yep, and it is based on valid secular concerns. Things like safety and accountability.

Denying homosexuals a marriage license they are legally entitled to have is not regulation, it is discrimination, plain and simple.

Using the law to deny homosexuals the ability to marry each other based on religious dogma is both regulation and discrimination, and according to the Supreme Court, the Constitutionally appointed final arbiter of Constitutionality, that discrimination is unconstitutional and unlawful.

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Old 08-20-2015, 11:19 AM
 
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So is marriage.
Not according to the Supreme Court. Both you and the Supreme Court can make pronouncements on Constitutionality, but only one of your opinions actually matter...


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Old 08-20-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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But we are saying they should do so within a defined set of parameters.
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The "we" being conservative fundamentalists who don't like the fact that gay Americans have rights under the constitution. The "we" being conservative fundamentalists who want to impose their beliefs and values on everyone else. The "we" being conservative fundamentalists who think they should be the people deciding what those defined parameters are.

The "we" being conservative fundamentalists who usually lack a basic understanding of how the American system of government works. The "we" being conservative fundamentalists who are so filled with hubris they actually believe the rules don't apply to them.

I've suggested Civics courses to educate them but it's obvious many are allergic to anything that requires opening a book that isn't a Bible. (Their love of saying rude things about intellectuals being Exhibit A). But, as depressing as that is....the GREAT news is the problem of their hubris will be resolved as they fade away. Made irrelevant by the millions of people who know that all Americans having equal rights is a good thing. Yah-hooo!
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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No more so than it is age discrimination to require a kid to be 16 to drive a car.
ALL people are required by law to be a certain age to get a drivers license. No one is required to be a specific gender to get married.
This clerk decided that she should get to make the final decision of who she will and will not serve while acting as a government agent.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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No one in this country is saying a gay person can't get married. But we are saying they should do so within a defined set of parameters.

The SCOTUS recently decided to change that defined set of parameters. They didn't simply allow participation in marriage -- they changed marriage to conform to the wishes of a minority.
And the law says that set of parameters is consenting adult who is not married to another person already.
The clerk doesn't get to make up the rules, she is required by her own oath to follow the laws of the state and the US. Those laws include marriage for same sex couples.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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My kids handled the news there was no Santa much better, and more maturely, than American fundamentalists dealing with the reality of SSM.

It's funny and sad.

But mostly funny.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I think they call that "gloating".
I call it "evening the score".

It's nice to see the christnuts feel what it's like to have something shoved down your throat that goes against your societal wishes.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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So is marriage.


Question: Is Marriage a Civil Right?

Answer: Recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been established as a civil right.



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