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Amen! This is so obvious and simple that it is a puzzle why it is not better understood.
I've wondered for years and years. Do unto each other, yada yada yada. . .judge not lest ye be judged, yada yada yada. . .why are people like Jeffbase so worried about judging people when that is GODS job to do? Who makes THEM the morality police? Shouldn't they just be living by the word/gospel? Perhaps if they spent as much time mending their fences, instead of worrying about what others are doing, their religion wouldn't be falling by the wayside.
If your faith requires you to hate someone, your faith is wrong.
And exactly how is a belief that homosexuality is sin = personal hatred against individuals? That would be like saying because you don't support full body tattooing then you hate people who do it.
If she is so worried about the sanctity of marriage, why is she on her fourth husband? Frickin hypocrite.
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Why the personal attack on her?
I don't know if this post has been addressed already. But anyway, the personal attack on this woman is totally justified. If she has been divorced and remarried EVEN ONCE - let alone several times - then she is in GLARING violation of the very scriptures she claims to uphold! Calling her a hypocrite is biblically accurate!
This woman is in no position to cast stones at anyone else. Ask Jesus . . .!
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The fact that she has divorced and remarried does not mean that she can't recognize that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Whatever she might recognize is immaterial in this case ...she's a hypocrite!
And exactly how is a belief that homosexuality is sin = personal hatred against individuals? That would be like saying because you don't support full body tattooing then you hate people who do it.
The belief is not the problem. Using it as an excuse to discriminate against someone IS!
I draw the distinction between luxury and necessity.
The law however does not make subjective and arbitrary distinctions that you yourself make. They are all businesses and they all follow the same secular law. Your issue is mainly the secular part of that, rather than the arbitrary distinctions you claim to draw which do little but define the outlines of that bias with those lines.
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I wouldn't support a Christian doctor or plumber refuses service to a gay person either. That is morally wrong in those circumstances.
And it happens all the time alas. Christian Doctors refusing to prescribe contraceptive or abortive medication for example.
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No, marriage is not a necessity. There are many people out there that do just fine without tying the knot.
Certainly a hell of a lot more of a necessity than catching a cab. But I think the person you replied to was not making the point that marriage is a necessity but that equality under the law is.
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The race comparison fails because there is no moral justification, religious or not, to support it.
In much the same way as you ranting against homosexuality but you have never once managed to erect a moral justification to support it. You merely declare it by fiat to be immoral but have not once even laid down the foundation of an argument to support such a position.
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Sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice.
Even if that were true, and it is not and is on the list of the litany of claims you make often but never once pause to support, it would be an irrelevant distinction. The morality of an action is not mediated upon whether the motivation for it is natural or chosen. Homosexuality is either immoral or it is not.... whether the homosexuality is chosen or innate is simply a red herring you people throw around to derail the discussion.
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Homosexuality goes against God's laws, nature's laws, the human body, and traditional cultural laws.
The first you have not supported in any way. Nor even shown, even once, a shred of substantiation that there even is a god.
The second is a nonsense. You have not shown such "laws" let alone that homosexuality is "against" them.
The third is simply white noise fillter. There is nothing "against the human body" about homosexuality at all. I fear you are using your usual previously decimated false conflation of anal sex with homosexuality again.
And the fourth is simply irrelevant. Tradition does not mediate morality.
Got a fifth? Because your first four are epic failures.
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And again, you refuse to acknowledge that this is a conflict of discrimination vs freedom of religion.
And again, you refuse to acknowledge that what you think "Freedom of religion" means is nothing remotely like what you keep warping it into despite being corrected and schooled on it multiple times.
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I think it is a great example of immaturity to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum because you just can't stand that someone doesn't agree with you.
Exactly. Like people refusing to do their job in secular government offices because someone does not agree with their personal and highly irrelevant opinion about who should be issued marriages licenses and how!! For example. So perhaps your evaluation of relative maturities should be brought to their door, not ours.
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And exactly how is a belief that homosexuality is sin = personal hatred against individuals?
It is a terribly convenient way to distance oneself from, even disown, their own hatred and bigotry however. This "sin" construct basically allows you to muffle all the hate and simply throw the judgement and bigotry onto an imaginary god while one simply sits back and says "Awww shucks don't shoot the messenger".
Calling me a hypocrite or immature is pointless and irrelevant. Just another typical superiority tactic. But if you want to play that game, I think it is a great example of immaturity to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum because you just can't stand that someone doesn't agree with you. Maturity is being able to consume a difference of opinion yet still maintain a level of respect to the opposing party.
As for the animal kingdom, if you are going to use them as an example then I guess it's nature for parents to eat their young like animals do, right?
Obtuseness is a mark of the immature---which you display consistently in your posts--claiming to have 100 proofs and not being able to provide even one.
The animal story that you like to repeat over and over still falls under the guidelines for humans that we as humans require consensual agreement to actions. Repeatedly you try to compare "animals eating their young," and "pedophilia" to homosexuality. That's why I am encouraged to compare your religion to Nazism. They were the first in modern times to treat homosexuals in mass as you deep down wish to see homosexuals treated.
So why should anyone have any respect for your opinion?
I really do not care about you OR your feelings. I care about the feelings of the gay people who may read your posts and think you are an example of people claiming to love God. They deserve better than what you offer.
Regardless of the number of homosexuals who have indicated you have no respect for THEM, you continue to believe you DO---THAT is being a hypocrite, a dogmatist, and one unwilling to learn. Further it is an absolute display of anti-christ beliefs. If you lack so much confidence in your own self that you need to have the right to treat others improperly, it shows you are still in need of a Savior. That would make a change in your heart--and mean you no longer need any "proofs" of God to try to convince others of the reality in your own life.
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You're an impressive glutton for logical punishment, Jeff. No amount of being demonstrably and profoundly wrong deters you from seeking ever more ways to make yourself look foolish. Keep it up. I mean that. It only helps my cause and hurts yours.
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