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Or we could exercise our American right to oppose and protest unjust law. Freedom of religion USED to mean something in this country. Congrats on destroying it.
The irony here is so thick, you'd need a jackhammer tipped with the fragment of a pulsar to so much as chip it.
Freedom of religion? SERIOUSLY? REALLY!?!
The irony is that you don't WANT religious freedom, which is why you soil the very word when you type it with your fingers.
In fact, you want precisely the opposite: Theocratic fascism -- whereby everyone, regardless of belief, is required by law to adhere to and obey your strict, rigid, and oppressive form of Christianity.
What gives your religion, nay, your personal religious views, the right to run roughshod over everyone else's personal choices? What gives that Kentucky clerk that right? What part of her job allows her to stand in moral judgment of those who legally seek a marriage license? Please, by all means, show me that in her job description and I'll shut my mouth.
The fact is that religious freedom becomes null and void the moment one specific interpretation of one specific religion begins making law that everyone must obey. Banning gay marriage would only demonstrate the primacy of fundamentalist Christianity at the expense of ALL other freedoms. The 1st Amendment only gives YOU the right to worship as you wish, meaning you are free to refrain from marrying another man. It gives the clerk the freedom to choose NOT to marry another woman. However, that freedom ends at the tip of your nose and it's high time you figure that out. The moment your "religious freedom" interferes with the lives of others -- especially those who haven't been bamboozled by stupid and archaic Hebrew laws -- is the moment your freedom ends and MY freedom begins.
Because, yeah, though this might come as a staggering shock to you, the REST of us have freedoms, too. That includes homosexuals. Both the Supreme Court AND a majority of Americans have figured that out.
Freedom of Religion does NOT mean: "Fundamentalists (and ONLY fundamentalists) always get their way irrespective of American majority opinion, the U.S. Constitution, or the Supreme Court."
The ONLY way our society works is if we respect the law. If you want to be like Westboro and picket public buildings where gay marriage licenses are issued, fine, you have that right. But to simply disobey laws results in anarchy. One thing that I've always hated about "civil disobedience" is that it usually affects innocent people without any meaningful results. I remember when anti-war protesters were deliberately blocking roads so that people couldn't get to work, couldn't get to the store, and heaven forbid if someone had needed to get to the hospital in a timely fashion -- and none of those people were responsible for the war in Iraq. Thus we now have a thoughtless and selfish county clerk affecting the lives of innocent homosexual couples who simply want to avail themselves of their RIGHT to be married.
And, of course, you'll defend her because, to you, YOUR religious beliefs and YOUR myopic and oppressive worldview are all that matters.
Yes, even we atheists lose battles sometimes. I would have liked to have seen "under God" removed from the Pledge but we lost that fight. So what did we atheists do? We simply went on with our lives. You don't see atheists burning flags, going batcrap crazy, and using whatever positions of power we might have to stop everyone from saying "under God" when the Pledge is recited. We don't act like a spoiled toddler who was just told "no" and now must throw a fit and disrupt his surroundings in some immature hissy.
You lost. End of story. You AND this knucklehead clerk need to get it through your skulls that you lost. I can guarantee you without hesitation that this ruling will not be overturned any time in the near or even distant future.
Freedom of religion restricted to home, your mind or church (for now) is not freedom of religion. Our country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
You cannot have freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion.
By all means, explain to me how I'm wrong. Please, I beg of you. Show me how it works otherwise.
I can't wait to see how you blunder through this absolute truism.
Or you'll just ignore the question because you KNOW that I'm right and that your position is indefensible.
I love it when someone takes the time to post that I'm wrong, oh won't tell me exactly how I'm wrong, but just say I'm stupid for being wrong. Really insightful that way.
I explain in exquisite detail how you're wrong. Quite often, in fact.
It doesn't seem to matter so others have simply given up trying. Ergo, you get snarky remarks and a few mild insults instead.
I love it when someone takes the time to post that I'm wrong, oh won't tell me exactly how I'm wrong, but just say I'm stupid for being wrong. Really insightful that way.
Warning: Irony meter is overloaded. This has to be the most blatant example of obliviousness ever. Shrina has not only taken the time, she has utterly demolished any semblance of reason or logic or intelligence in your reasons, Jeff.
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Originally Posted by Shirina
I explain in exquisite detail how you're wrong. Quite often, in fact.
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Originally Posted by Shirina
The irony here is so thick, you'd need a jackhammer tipped with the fragment of a pulsar to so much as chip it.
Freedom of religion? SERIOUSLY? REALLY!?!
The irony is that you don't WANT religious freedom, which is why you soil the very word when you type it with your fingers.
In fact, you want precisely the opposite: Theocratic fascism -- whereby everyone, regardless of belief, is required by law to adhere to and obey your strict, rigid, and oppressive form of Christianity.
What gives your religion, nay, your personal religious views, the right to run roughshod over everyone else's personal choices? What gives that Kentucky clerk that right? What part of her job allows her to stand in moral judgment of those who legally seek a marriage license? Please, by all means, show me that in her job description and I'll shut my mouth.
The fact is that religious freedom becomes null and void the moment one specific interpretation of one specific religion begins making law that everyone must obey. Banning gay marriage would only demonstrate the primacy of fundamentalist Christianity at the expense of ALL other freedoms. The 1st Amendment only gives YOU the right to worship as you wish, meaning you are free to refrain from marrying another man. It gives the clerk the freedom to choose NOT to marry another woman. However, that freedom ends at the tip of your nose and it's high time you figure that out. The moment your "religious freedom" interferes with the lives of others -- especially those who haven't been bamboozled by stupid and archaic Hebrew laws -- is the moment your freedom ends and MY freedom begins.
Because, yeah, though this might come as a staggering shock to you, the REST of us have freedoms, too. That includes homosexuals. Both the Supreme Court AND a majority of Americans have figured that out.
Freedom of Religion does NOT mean: "Fundamentalists (and ONLY fundamentalists) always get their way irrespective of American majority opinion, the U.S. Constitution, or the Supreme Court."
The ONLY way our society works is if we respect the law. If you want to be like Westboro and picket public buildings where gay marriage licenses are issued, fine, you have that right. But to simply disobey laws results in anarchy. One thing that I've always hated about "civil disobedience" is that it usually affects innocent people without any meaningful results. I remember when anti-war protesters were deliberately blocking roads so that people couldn't get to work, couldn't get to the store, and heaven forbid if someone had needed to get to the hospital in a timely fashion -- and none of those people were responsible for the war in Iraq. Thus we now have a thoughtless and selfish county clerk affecting the lives of innocent homosexual couples who simply want to avail themselves of their RIGHT to be married.
And, of course, you'll defend her because, to you, YOUR religious beliefs and YOUR myopic and oppressive worldview are all that matters.
Yes, even we atheists lose battles sometimes. I would have liked to have seen "under God" removed from the Pledge but we lost that fight. So what did we atheists do? We simply went on with our lives. You don't see atheists burning flags, going batcrap crazy, and using whatever positions of power we might have to stop everyone from saying "under God" when the Pledge is recited. We don't act like a spoiled toddler who was just told "no" and now must throw a fit and disrupt his surroundings in some immature hissy.
You lost. End of story. You AND this knucklehead clerk need to get it through your skulls that you lost. I can guarantee you without hesitation that this ruling will not be overturned any time in the near or even distant future.
Quod Erat Demonstrandum!!!
Last edited by MysticPhD; 08-31-2015 at 12:57 PM..
I love it when someone takes the time to post that I'm wrong, oh won't tell me exactly how I'm wrong, but just say I'm stupid for being wrong. Really insightful that way.
Ummm.... I've never once said you are stupid. That's a false accusation. I've said there are a lot of things you need to learn. (If someone has called you stupid... take it up with them - not me. ) There are some obvious holes in your education. You've made numerous erroneous statements about the Constitution and systems of government. Are we supposed to let those pass?
p.s. Community college will give you the most bang for your buck.
Perhaps he ignores you because he feels you're the one that is wrong and your opinion of him isn't really valid to him?
Nope. Like other apologists here on CD, he simply ignores what he can't dispute.
They're really good at it.
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