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Old 08-20-2015, 10:55 AM
 
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It deeply pains me to point this out, as I do not want to provide you with ammo when you have finally shown that even you have standards in this matter. However, from the article:

As a consequence, you or I could be on this list because someone else posed as us or gave out a fake email address. I even had an acquaintance where I used to live whose idea of a yuk was to sign me up for a subscription to Gentleman's Quarterly which I had the embarrassment of fishing out of my mailbox at the same instant my neighbor, eyebrow raised, was fetching his own mail at the street box. Har-har! At least it wasn't Playboy or worse; it was merely provocatively posed objectified women on the cover, at least they were clothed.

However, that Duggar's profile is not actually his is quite far-fetched and I understand from what others have told me that the data points in Dugger's profile (such as his grandmother's home address, birthday one month off from actual (a common ploy of someone creating an account and yet remain deniably anonymous) and a few other things that are too many coincidences in one place not to be him. Still, he's a public person with enemies and I predict that a narrative like this will develop to try to explain it away as Not Really Him.

No matter; it has become a "where there's smoke, there's fire" kind of scenario.
I'll reserve more judgment until more information comes out, then. But if it's true that it's really him? No...I got no respect for that.

Having said that, if it really IS him? I'd seriously begin to wonder if he was abused in some way, that he then acted out as a 14-15 year old kid, and he apparently has sexual issues as an adult. Again...this is all just speculation--I know nothing for sure, and I will wait to comment more on it.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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It deeply pains me to point this out, as I do not want to provide you with ammo when you have finally shown that even you have standards in this matter. However, from the article:

As a consequence, you or I could be on this list because someone else posed as us or gave out a fake email address. I even had an acquaintance where I used to live whose idea of a yuk was to sign me up for a subscription to Gentleman's Quarterly which I had the embarrassment of fishing out of my mailbox at the same instant my neighbor, eyebrow raised, was fetching his own mail at the street box. Har-har! At least it wasn't Playboy or worse; it was merely provocatively posed objectified women on the cover, at least they were clothed.

However, that Duggar's profile is not actually his is quite far-fetched and I understand from what others have told me that the data points in Dugger's profile (such as his grandmother's home address, birthday one month off from actual (a common ploy of someone creating an account and yet remain deniably anonymous) and a few other things that are too many coincidences in one place not to be him. Still, he's a public person with enemies and I predict that a narrative like this will develop to try to explain it away as Not Really Him.

No matter; it has become a "where there's smoke, there's fire" kind of scenario.
Absolutely, anyone at all could pretend to be anyone in a profile.

The damning bit of evidence though is that AM billed his credit card monthly for 2 years.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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I'll reserve more judgment until more information comes out, then. But if it's true that it's really him? No...I got no respect for that.

Having said that, if it really IS him? I'd seriously begin to wonder if he was abused in some way, that he then acted out as a 14-15 year old kid, and he apparently has sexual issues as an adult. Again...this is all just speculation--I know nothing for sure, and I will wait to comment more on it.
80%--90% of sex offenders were sexually abused by another, usually family member of close friend of the family.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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90% of sex offenders were sexually abused
I realize that. That's why I suggested the POSSIBILITY. I do not know for sure, and I do not want to unduly speculate on it.

We just don't know at this point, and it wouldn't be right to run wild with crazy theories or accusations.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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I realize that. That's why I suggested the POSSIBILITY. I do not know for sure, and I do not want to unduly speculate on it.

We just don't know at this point, and it wouldn't be right to run wild with crazy theories or accusations.
How about sound facts and extremely HIGH confidence that says it is 80%-90% probablility it has happened?
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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How about sound facts and extremely HIGH confidence that says it is 80%-90% probablility it has happened?
At this point, it's only Josh that has apparently shown issues. I'm not ready to indict the rest of the family until I know more. But if there is something there, you won't see me making excuses or defending anyone.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:33 AM
 
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As one commentator opined, "How could you?" is being spoken all over the country right now, as sleeping men are awakened by being smacked in the face by a packed suitcase, the sound of crying children in the background.

I read about this site maybe a year ago and wondered how long it would be before it would be targeted by hackers. It's just too tempting a target.

It hadn't occurred to me that many of the female profiles would be faked, but it should have. What woman in her right mind would want to purposefully develop a sexual relationship with a married man? That is normally the kind of thing that would be concealed by a man, which tells me most women frown on it. Understandably. Not only do most women want a committed relationship, they also want safety. This has danger written all over it. Most of the guys are probably self-absorbed losers but some of those would be predators. I read an article by a woman who claims to have dated a few men from the site and from her perspective it was nice to have "fun" without long term commitment but she ended up stalked by a couple of her paramours. She was tough enough to shut them down, smart enough to block them (which worked because she was also smart enough never to give out her home address) and lucky that they weren't sociopath enough to grab her and toss her in a car trunk.
Ahh you guys let me down a bit. I expected Cupper to have this post up within the hour yesterday and people salivating at wanting to see me squirm and try to defend this guy now.

But I won't. If the evidence is true then I have no problem admitting that I was wrong to defend Josh Duggar. This is a disgusting display of hypocrisy especially considering that he served on the Family counsel while actively seeking and paying a lot of money to secretly cheat on his wife. My heart goes out to his wife who probably now sees her husband for being a liar and a cheater.

That said, it is remotely possible that someone stole his CC and setup a fake account. Although I find it pretty telling that the account was removed exactly around the time that all the molestion mess came out.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:38 AM
 
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I realize that. That's why I suggested the POSSIBILITY. I do not know for sure, and I do not want to unduly speculate on it.

We just don't know at this point, and it wouldn't be right to run wild with crazy theories or accusations.
Well the Church can certainly utilize this opportunity for teaching, starting with anatomy and physiology and understanding rape.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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Well this puts any doubt to rest. Statement from Josh. Why even bother really? It's hard to respect the sincerity of apologies when you only give it after your hand is caught in the cookie jar.


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I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.

I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.

I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.

The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, in my heart I had allowed Satan to build a fortress that no one knew about.

As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.
Statements From Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar and Josh Duggar - Michelle's Blog - The Duggar Family
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Ahh you guys let me down a bit. I expected Cupper to have this post up within the hour yesterday and people salivating at wanting to see me squirm and try to defend this guy now.

But I won't. If the evidence is true then I have no problem admitting that I was wrong to defend Josh Duggar. This is a disgusting display of hypocrisy especially considering that he served on the Family counsel while actively seeking and paying a lot of money to secretly cheat on his wife. My heart goes out to his wife who probably now sees her husband for being a liar and a cheater.

That said, it is remotely possible that someone stole his CC and setup a fake account. Although I find it pretty telling that the account was removed exactly around the time that all the molestion mess came out.
Were actual CC numbers published as part of this list? If so then that IS damning, not only for Duggers, but for the IT people behind the site. Web site security 101 says you never store CC or SS #s in clear text; they are always encrypted and the decryption key is someplace secure and itself encrypted / obfuscated. When the hackers got at the Ashley Madison database, at minimum, the credit card #s should have been useless gibberish or at most the last 4 digits in cleartext. For a site as sensitive as Ashely Madison, in fact, EVERYTHING should have been useless gibberish. Not only in the event of hackers gaining access, but just to keep internal personnel on a "need to know" basis. This work was clearly done on the cheap by opportunists.
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