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Keep believing what your pastor shoves down your throat about atheists/agnostics, Jeff. It just makes you look all the more ignorant when you ignore what ACTUAL atheists/agnostics tell you about their beliefs and why they hold them. We are not attacking God (as we have told you repeatedly), we are attacking the people who think they deserve special treatment for being religious. We are attacking organized religion, or certain belief systems that are harmful. (Not all of us do these things) That is not the same thing as attacking God.
Oh … The chief spokesmen for the "New Atheist" movement certainly DO "attack God" …
You would think I could find just one, just one who could tolerate a different of opinion on religious topics and didn't come off completely disrespectful and rude.
Oh … The chief spokesmen for the "New Atheist" movement certainly DO "attack God" …
see, again: Dawkins, Harris, et al. ...
Atheists, by definition, do not believe gods exist -- much less your particular one. Therefore your god can not be hated, attacked, etc., by us.
We disagree, sometimes forcefully, with beliefs about god and practices which god is used as a justification for. We do not buy the justifications or "proofs" for many theistic assertions.
You can debate these criticisms on their actual merits with respect to actual evidence or lack thereof ... or you can deflect by claiming we are taking positions against things we don't actually have a position against.
Does your side ever respond to substantive condemnation of the perspective for which you advocate, when accompanied by a very relevant analogy, without trying to deflect, dodge or otherwise evade responding to the condemnation with integrity?
Regardless: Slavery isn't racism. And neither is a crutch.
Substantive? Sorry but your perspective is the one grounded in fantasy. Even non-believers here chimed in that atheists are going too far with this latest stunt. But you don't care about the fallout as long your religion of secularism gets it way every time. Slavery and racism are often used interchangeably as crutches to prop up your side as being the more moral position.
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Women serving as clergy. TWO. Stoning adulterers. THREE. Shall I go on?
I don't see Christians outraged over Joyce Myer. Stoning? Newflash, Jesus fullfilled the OT convenant. Those laws don't apply anymore.
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Good thing I didn't say that. But you're still trying to slither away from acknowledging that you have regularly refused to acknowledge the minority religious experience in this country. Your callous disregard for the experiences of others is perhaps another worthless portion of Christianity.
What disregard? I have said on this very thread that I would have no problem with other religious texts existing in a hotel room. I could simply ignore them. Guess what, atheists can do the exact same thing. BTW, "slither" is just another crutch.
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No, we were successful in doing so. You just refuse to acknowledge it.
Yet, during that time, Muslims, and Jews, and atheists, etc., have all regularly been subjected to reprehensible treatment at the hands of Dominionist-afflicted society.
Even though you cannot bring yourself to admit it.
I fail to see how the Gideon Bible = reprehensible treatment. Typical blowing things out of realistic proportions.
No. What I wrote is correct. It doesn't fit the corrupt narrative you prefer, but it is correct, nonetheless.
Dawkins is one atheist. You implied that atheists in general are as you characterized them. It isn't even worth arguing with you about whether what you said about one atheist is true or not, because that is one person. The fact that you hinge your entire characterization of atheists on one person is beyond ridiculous. It borders on willful deception.
My problem with this situation is not "atheists" (in general, per se) …
I have some very good friends who are "atheists" …
I oppose the missionary zealot "New Atheists" …
(BTW, those guys are not embraced by all "atheists," either …
see: Michael Ruse, "Why I Think the New Atheists Are a Bloody Disaster" … )
More precisely: Respect can be lost, and the doggedly abusive advocacy of fundamentalist Christianity by fundamentalist Christians in this thread reflects an indefensible lack of respect for people of other religions, which has lost for those specific people the default respect they innately had.
ALL human beings must be respected for their humanity …
The position/recognition that all human beings have "certain inalienable rights" endowed by The Creator is a CENTRAL feature of our society and guv'mint …
More precisely: Respect can be lost, and the doggedly abusive advocacy of fundamentalist Christianity by fundamentalist Christians in this thread reflects an indefensible lack of respect for people of other religions, which has lost for those specific people the default respect they innately had.
Well said.
Respect is usually the best default, but it is not an inviolable right, either. When one behaves disrespectably, one can no longer either expect or demand respect.
The problem then becomes that sometimes people will assume that you are simply not being respectful because you're a turd or imagining offense where none exists.
Respect is usually the best default, but it is not an inviolable right, either. When one behaves disrespectably, one can no longer either expect or demand respect.
I confess that I do have little to no respect for the vituperative antics of the zealot missionary "New Atheist" guys …
(Prof. Dr. Michael Ruse, himself a professed "atheist," agrees with me that "the 'New Atheists' are a bloody disaster" …)
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