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in the sky there are stars produce sounds as knocking .
and Sound does not spread in nothing but it captured by converting the generated waves to its
original form, just like the radio Receives waves and receives no sounds but we here the original sound.
Dr . Richard Rothschild, an astrophysicist at the University of California's Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences in San Diego said This explosion was akin to hitting the neutron star with a gigantic hammer, causing it to ring like a bell
this knocking was discover about 50 years ago but it is there in the Quran more than 1400 years
by Heaven and the Tariq! [knocker]
And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? [knocker]
The Star Piercing The Holy Quran
in the sky there are stars produce sounds as knocking .
and Sound does not spread in nothing but it captured by converting the generated waves to its
original form, just like the radio Receives waves and receives no sounds but we here the original sound.
Dr . Richard Rothschild, an astrophysicist at the University of California's Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences in San Diego said This explosion was akin to hitting the neutron star with a gigantic hammer, causing it to ring like a bell
this knocking was discover about 50 years ago but it is there in the Quran more than 1400 years
by Heaven and the Tariq! [knocker]
And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? [knocker]
The Star Piercing The Holy Quran
You really do need to read up on confirmation bias.
in the sky there are stars produce sounds as knocking .
and Sound does not spread in nothing but it captured by converting the generated waves to its
original form, just like the radio Receives waves and receives no sounds but we here the original sound.
Dr . Richard Rothschild, an astrophysicist at the University of California's Center for Astrophysics and Space Sciences in San Diego said This explosion was akin to hitting the neutron star with a gigantic hammer, causing it to ring like a bell
this knocking was discover about 50 years ago but it is there in the Quran more than 1400 years
by Heaven and the Tariq! [knocker]
And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? [knocker]
The Star Piercing The Holy Quran
We did this we did it already. The star does not Knock. It only sounds like knocking as a radio telemetry signal. As Mordant says that is pure confirmation of Bias.
You really do need to read up on confirmation bias.
that apply to the others
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Originally Posted by 303Guy
If the location of that knocker had been given it would have meant something. Even moreso if the mechanism of the knocking had been described.
The Quran is about 600 pages and mostly it is about religion and the scientific knowledge in it is high level
and do you think that the people who were getting these verses from the messenger have any idea about a star rotating and produce sound as knocking , I think this verse is ment for you and to any non Muslim in this era .
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
The star does not Knock. It only sounds like knocking as a radio telemetry signal..
The star does not Knock. it produce a sound like knocking
and notice the second evidence in the third verse
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As Mordant says that is pure confirmation of Bias.
Pulsars do not pierce either. The passage is more about a warning to wrongdoers when retribution comes knocking at their door. This is not 'high level science' but religious threats annd warnings.
I have to repeat that you have no 'another proof' as you haven't has one yet, only a solid error about salt and fresh water mixing that debunks the claim that the Quran has valid, never mind 'high level' scientific knowledge.
Pulsars do not pierce either. The passage is more about a warning to wrongdoers when retribution comes knocking at their door. This is not 'high level science' but religious threats and warnings.
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That makes a lot more sense. I think this 'scientific evidence' is vague misinterpretations of what seems to me to be vague poetic verses.
Olease substantiate that this star is called 'piercing satr' by science. since you are claiming science. Please also validate the claim that a pulsar is about to become a bl;ack hole (as I recall "Pulsar" simply is an old term from misunderstanding the eclipse effect cause by a circling smaller star. The drop in light registers in radio telemetry as a Knock. It could be a blip or a change in a numerical sequence. Pulsars do not 'knock, pierce or become black holes any more readily than any other star.
Just identify the star (I didn't watch for video for some rather personal reasons) and I'll do the research. If it relates to pulsars in general, you are already wrong on all counts. There is NO resemblance at all between a pulsar and a lighted match.
As with the attempt to invent 'barriers' between salt and fresh water, I'd guess you are just making stuff up.
Nope, sorry mate, I got it completely wrong. I confused biniary stars with Pulsars as they were originally confused., because they both emitted changes in light that came through the radio as a knocking sound.
A true Pulsar is a collapsed star (neutron star) that is rotating (usually very fast) and soes emit a lighthouse -like beam of light that is the reverse of the biniary effect. it is a brighter change.
It is more likely to become a Nova than a black hole, but some may become black holes.
I suppose one could call the beam of light 'piercing' but that is a pit of a stretch. It is a shining beam of light. That's all.
I'd still like to have the Id of that particular star, if a particular star is intended.
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[I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]! (Qur'an, 86:1-3)
Miracles of the Qur'an, Black Holes
Harun Yahya
The verse actually refers to Tariq, a specific star. Some say it is the morning star (Pickthal and Sher Ali). Firstly, a star that pierces the darkness (or has piercing brightness) cannot be a black hole.
Secondly, if the reference by Pickthal and Sher Ali is correct, the Tariq or morning star is Venus, a planet and not a star.[1]
Even some Muslims believe that the Tariq could be Saturn or the Pleiades.
Some commentators assume that what is described here as at-tariq ("that which comes in the night") is the morning-star, because it appears towards the end of the night; others - like Zamakhshari or Raghib - understand by it "the star" in its generic sense. Now if we analyze the origin of this noun, we find that it is derived from the verb taraqa, which primarily means "he beat [something]" or "knocked [at something]"; hence, taraqa 'l-bab, "he knocked at the door". Tropically, the noun signifies "anything [or "anyone"] that comes in the night", because a person who comes to a house by night is expected to knock at the door (Taj al-Arus). In the Qur'anic mode of expression, at-tariq is evidently a metaphor for the heavenly solace which sometimes comes to a human being lost in the deepest darkness of affliction and distress; or for the sudden, intuitive enlightenment which disperses the darkness of uncertainty; or, finally, for divine revelation, which knocks, as it were, at the doors of man's heart.. and thus fulfils the functions of both solace and enlightenment. (For my rendering of the adjurative wa as "Consider", see surah 74, first half of note 23.)
Message Of Quran (080-114)
Muhammad Asad
The term "alttariqi" means a star that pierces the night, that pierces the darkness, born at night, piercing and moving on, beating, striking, or sharp star.
The apologist gave the definition of the root “tarq” as beat or strike hard. Nowhere is there the implication of ‘moving on’. So, we are left with only a star that pierces. But does this mean that the Tariq is a pulsar? This tafsir defines tariq as way, not a pulsar.
The term / tariq / is derived from / tarq / 'to pound'. And / tariq / means 'way' because the path is pounded by the feet of pedestrians. The term /matraqah/ 'a sledge hammer' is used for pounding iron and materials like this. And since the doors are closed at night when people arrive they have to pound on them to gain permission to enter, then, that which comes at night is called /tariq/ 'the night-visitant'.
Sura Tariq 86:l-10
An Enlightening Commentary into the Light of the Holy Quran, Translated by Mr. Saiyed Abbas Sadr - 'ameli
Conclusion
The analysis has shown (1) the claim that the Qur'an predicted the modern understanding of Black Holes is not backed by the scientific evidence (2) the claim that the Qur'an predicted the modern understanding of pulsars is conjectural and not supported by the scientific evidence.
It has also shown Harun Yahya’s self-contradiction as he used the same Qur'anic verse to ‘prove’ both the black hole and the pulsar. Since a black hole cannot possibly also be a pulsar, it appears that Harun Yahya has refuted himself.
But even a subject I thought was done and dusted was worth looking at again. in a vague metaphorical way it can be made to look like how we see (or redio receive) a pulsar signal, and like a lot of this 'science in Holy books' stuff relies on sounding vaguely like it, with somne interpretation, and maybe quote -selecting. I'm not sure the 'knocking' and piercing' references even go together.
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By the Sky and the Night-Visitant (therein);
And what will explain to thee what the Night-Visitant is?-
(It is) the Star of piercing brightness;-
There is no soul but has a protector over it.
Now let man but think from what he is created!
He is created from a drop emitted-
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:
Surely ((Allah)) is able to bring him back (to life)!
The Day that (all) things secret will be tested,
(Man) will have no power, and no helper.
By the Firmament which returns (in its round),
And by the Earth which opens out (for the gushing of springs or the sprouting of vegetation),-
Behold this is the Word that distinguishes (Good from Evil):
It is not a thing for amusement.
As for them, they are but plotting a scheme,
And I am planning a scheme.
Therefore grant a delay to the Unbelievers: Give respite to them gently (for awhile).
Really, when you read it in contex,t does that sounds anything like science?
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Retraction
I confused biniary stars with Pulsars as they were originally confused., because they both emitted changes in light that came through the radio as a knocking sound.
