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Don't be either foolish or crafty. Nobody is making any guesses about you yourself. It is about what you do, why you say you do it and what our reaction is. You played the 'you know nothing about me' card before it was time for it. Bad fail there jimmie.
Very well argued - if the claims you make are true. Are they, or are they just what you require to be true to validate the argument? We know the 'argument from violent crime' stats do not support the claim. maybe suicide and peer -murder rates don't support it, either... And of course, there is no breakdown into religious afilliation, so you can claim that they had no religion or 'family unity' (as though you could only have that within religion) and we can't really disprove it, but it does remain an unsubstantiated claim on your part.
Validate the argument? It would be madness if atheists approached life in such a extreme manner. Where you can't believe in anything unless you prove it true first. No I can't validate it just like you can't validate the majority of "claims". It would require a God level knowledge like studying a sucide victim's life experiences and having access to their inner thoughts.
BUT the evidence does suggest that I'm right. For example, New Zealand is a highly developed beautiful country. Yet last year, they started addressing a real problem. EPIC suicide rates, on a scale never seen before. Now why is that? From a logical perspective, I would think the suicide rates would be higher in a country steeped in poverty rather than one where people can enjoy a high standard of living. Here is one article that backs up my "claim".
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“We know connection to identity is a protective force. And there is a huge lack of access to a strong, cohesive cultural history in New Zealand. When Maori have access to their language, geneology, whakapapa and marae, they are really strong preventive measures against mental distress and suicide.”
New Zealand is a country that is rapidly becoming more atheist. Combine that with a lack of cultural identity like this article mentions and you get the same level of hopelessness that drives someone to end their life.
crickets, eh, before you'd even given him ten minutes to respond.
Shall we take that as a hopeful plea or just another false accusation?
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What do I do that bothers you?
Jimmie, a compulsive night-time barker three streets away bothers me far more than you do. Rather I value your fumbling contributions highly as a way of demonstrating what is lamentably wrong with theist apologetics.
Validate the argument? It would be madness if atheists approached life in such a extreme manner. Where you can't believe in anything unless you prove it true first. No I can't validate it just like you can't validate the majority of "claims". It would require a God level knowledge like studying a sucide victim's life experiences and having access to their inner thoughts.
BUT the evidence does suggest that I'm right. For example, New Zealand is a highly developed beautiful country. Yet last year, they started addressing a real problem. EPIC suicide rates, on a scale never seen before. Now why is that? From a logical perspective, I would think the suicide rates would be higher in a country steeped in poverty rather than one where people can enjoy a high standard of living. Here is one article that backs up my "claim".
New Zealand is a country that is rapidly becoming more atheist. Combine that with a lack of cultural identity like this article mentions and you get the same level of hopelessness that drives someone to end their life.
I just had a quick look. I don't know how it compares with its' previous Less atheist rcord but currently it is just below france and the US for suicide rates. Your argument seems to be (as i suspected) based on prejudiced accusations, rather than facts.
I had a look a violent crime rater (per 1,000) and the heftier ones (near the top, Highly religious India, - they could do with more atheism) and the Good ol' US of A up there in the top 20.
NZ? half way down with the piddlingly low rates. What's this uninformed garbage that you're posting Jeff?
I did note a sudden peak which fell off immediately. I have no idea what this signifies (a similar one in Norway what a Christian shoot up) but you are leaping joyfully to conclusions that it is related to increase in atheism.
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crickets, eh, before you'd even given him ten minutes to respond.
Shall we take that as a hopeful plea or just another false accusation?
Jimmie, a compulsive night-time barker three streets away bothers me far more than you do. Rather I value your fumbling contributions highly as a way of demonstrating what is lamentably wrong with theist apologetics.
Most terrorists around the globe are of the Islamic extraction.
It's interesting how these threads get so divisive and off-topic in this forum.
Nothing like a wide -ranging discussion and some toxic sectarian snarling before Mensa drops by and cracks some heads together.
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