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No, you're not open to it. You could test it as discussed before, but you won't even begin to try. No guts, no glory.
You're just playing games with people here.
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
Well, I looked into it and investigated it, and meditated on whether or not that was a good course. The end result was no. What's your point, and why Islam?
I investigated Christianity, read the Bible and *prayed*, and sincerely assumed it's all true. I followed the instructions. Nothing happened.
The reason you reject Islam would be the same reason I reject Christianity.
I AM open to new evidence, but sadly *personal experiences* are not objective and belong to the lowest type of evidence. For two good reasons:
1. People of other religions feel the presence of THEIR god/gods too, like how Muslims claim they can feel Allah's presence. Who should I trust?
2. If you insist that your personal experiences are valid, then the personal experiences of ALL other people are validated by default, too, like alien abductions.
Oh, and did I mention that my soul wandered to Jupiter during a sleep? You can't say it didn't happen, and if you do, you'll hurt my feelings!
I'm sorry, Anecdotal miracle claims are not valid evidence.
Try again.
THIS !!!!
Now, did you notice what kind of evidence usually the Atheists demand?
Let me remind you of one of your own examples,
“The water in the glass on my table, turns into wine”.
Sounds like a miracle?
Even if you say no, and the water also turns into wine, You and the entire intellect and knowledge of ALL humanity combined, cannot verify and validate that it was done by God.
And this is why the OP’s demand of “verifiable evidence” is an oxymoron and ridiculous.
We can’t define evidence because we cannot verify, and validate that it was done by God.
Otherwise David Copperfield could be potentially a good candidate of convincing and becoming the God of Atheists.
Now, did you notice what kind of evidence usually the Atheists demand?
Let me remind you of one of your own examples,
“The water in the glass on my table, turns into wine”.
Sounds like a miracle?
Even if you say no, and the water also turns into wine, You and the entire intellect and knowledge of ALL humanity combined, cannot verify and validate that it was done by God.
And this is why the OP’s demand of “verifiable evidence” is an oxymoron and ridiculous.
We can’t define evidence because we cannot verify, and validate that it was done by God.
Otherwise David Copperfield could be potentially a good candidate of convincing and becoming the God of Atheists.
HELLO??!!
My demand of verifiable evidence is ridiculous? And saying ''I do believe, I do, I do!'' is superior??
The Pink Invisible Unicorn is real because I can feel her presence. Wait, you want me to prove it? How dare you! You're not even willing to pray and let her into your heart! It's true because I say so!
Ok then, I have an anecdotal 'evidence'. A woman I knew had suffered polio as a child and had a stunted leg. Well, she got religious - born again - and went to some miracle prayer meeting in which they prayed over her leg and before her eyes, her leg grew. She saw her leg grow!
Well, I saw her some time after this miraculous event and I saw her leg. So I had seen her leg before and then after this miracle so I can attest to the validity of the miracle.
Oh yes, she had had surgery to lengthen her leg by fitting steel extensions into the bone and those would have grown as well, presumably.
Her leg was exactly the same as it was when I last saw her. No changes whatever. Yet she 'saw' her leg grow.
So, I'm a first hand witness to a claimed miracle that never happened.
Now, did you notice what kind of evidence usually the Atheists demand?
Let me remind you of one of your own examples,
“The water in the glass on my table, turns into wine”.
Sounds like a miracle?
Even if you say no, and the water also turns into wine, You and the entire intellect and knowledge of ALL humanity combined, cannot verify and validate that it was done by God.
And this is why the OP’s demand of “verifiable evidence” is an oxymoron and ridiculous.
We can’t define evidence because we cannot verify, and validate that it was done by God.
Otherwise David Copperfield could be potentially a good candidate of convincing and becoming the God of Atheists.
Nice try as an excuse. I know very well that nobody is going to have to take my word for it that the water Did turn into wine, though my conversion if it does - and your insistence that I'd renege on my promise and try to wriggle out of it says more about you than about me - ought to impress quite a number of people, and that would (I hunbly submit - make it worth while for Jesusgod to take a nanosecond out from eternity to take Transponder out of the ranks of atheism.
But I am confident it won't happen, and so, I also submit, are you and every other Christian who does not take up my offer.
P.s I do not actually have a bottle of water on the desk at the moment, as I am guzzling cider most evenings, but anyone wants to take up the offer and tells me, and I'll get one right away.
I didn't say I'm a scientist. I'm not one--like, at all.
But if I were to conduct my own experiment, I'd:
1. Get a glass of water.
2. Attach it to a machine that will detect any anomalies.
3. Pray that it turns into wine.
4. Get people of various religious beliefs to pray that it turns into wine.
5. Do all of the above multiple times.
What makes you think that turning water into wine proves that there is a God. That is all just magic.
If you want to know if there is a God, no one can answer that for you. Meditate and you could have an experience of God that you cannot deny. But that doesn't mean that religions are correct.
What makes you think that turning water into wine proves that there is a God. That is all just magic.
If you want to know if there is a God, no one can answer that for you. Meditate and you could have an experience of God that you cannot deny. But that doesn't mean that religions are correct.
The O.P. wants to be converted. Not sure why. But, apparently the only thing that would convince him that God exists is his glass of water being turned into wine. Since that has not yet happened, my suggestion is he should go on being an atheist and be done with it unless and until his criteria is met. It's really that simple.
I don't believe that the OP really wanted an answer; it was just something to write about and get responses. It won't hurt him to remain an atheist. If someone turned water into wine right in front of him he would said that it was a magic truck,and he would be right.
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- make it worth while for Jesusgod to take a nanosecond out from eternity to take Transponder out of the ranks of atheism.
