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You have a lot to l earn about what constitutes FACTS. Especially about Christianity and the Bible. Don't worry, you are not to old to start learing and eliminate your ignorance.
Your usual ignorance but it is obvious you did not show where I was wring. That should be easy for one as intelligent as you are, or think you are.
You didn't because you can't.
Refuting you is so easy, it is almost not worth the effort, but it is so much fun, I will continue to do it.
Have a nice day.
This is characteristic of a mind that doesn't know what to do with itself except hurl meaningless insults.
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You didn't because you can't
Nothing here.
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Refuting you is so easy, it is almost not worth the effort,
Where's the refute? Omega, in case no one ever informed you, you need some sort of citation or contradictory authority to refute with. Unless you figure "I refute you" is a refute.
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but it is so much fun, I will continue to do it.
This is soooooo pathetic.
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Have a nice day.
Petrified mind due to age, that's the only conclusion I can come to. Omega, it's not your fault. We all get to this point if we live long enough.
I've stated numerous times that atheists/skeptics/agnostics don't have to lie to alert novices to Christianity's shady past. All they have to do is tell the truth. It's the Christians who have to tell lies to defend their faith and you see plenty of that going on in here all the time. Here are 10 lies Christians tell regularly in an effort to prop up their failing religion. As the the Internet pulls back the covers on Christianity's dubious founding, Christianity will continue to flounder in the 1st world and Jesus, if he is really the Son of God, will continue to do nothing to stop it.
#1.The Bible contains no contradictions. Rubbish! It is loaded with thousands of contradictions. Apologists argue ALL these errors can be explained. Another lie. They cannot all be explained. Like this one, I suppose:
Are we saved through works?
Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
Romans 3:20,28 "Therefore NO flesh be justifiedby the deeds of the law there shall t."
Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is NOT justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
VS.
James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man IS justified, and not by faith only."
Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he [Jesus] said unto him "Keep the commandments."
The common defense here is that "we are saved by faith and works." But Paul said "not of works." #2.Jesus is well-represented in secular history. Rubbish! Jesus is not mentioned in secular history at all. There is a very controversial passage from Josephus that mentions a "Jesus who is called Christ" supposedly written in 96 CE but most scholars believe it was inserted into the Josephus text by Eusebius, a lackey for Emperor Constantine to give Jesus more credibility as a historical figure. Other than that there are a few mentions of "Chrestians" in the 2nd century and a mention of "Chrestus" by Tacitus in 117 CE. But that's it. No "Jesus the Christ".
#3.There is more proof for Jesus than Julius Caesar. Rubbish! We have Caesar's own words in his treatise, "The Gallic Wars". We have busts of Caesar. We have coins with Caesar's image on them. We have reliefs of Caesar in Roman monuments. We have NOTHING for Jesus.
#4.The apostles died for their faith. Rubbish! We haven't a single mention of any of the apostles anywhere outside the Bible. For all practical purposes the apostles never existed.
#5.Jesus is prophesied in the Old Testament. Rubbish! Jesus isn't mentioned once in the Old Testament. Apologists try to attach obscure Old Testament passages to Jesus to make it appear that way, but none of them talks about Jesus. A few:
...that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene" (Matthew 2:23).
There is no such prophecy in any Jewish scripture
And this:
... that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son. (Matthew 2:15) The prophecy is to be found in Hosea 11:1: "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."
So Israel is the child God called out of Egypt, not Jesus. But apologists always use their backup excuse, "These are all double prophecies". What about triple and quadruple prophecies?
#6.Gospels were written by eyewitnesses to Jesus. Rubbish! The gospels were all written by literate anonymous Greek scholars 50 to 100 years after Jesus' death.
#7.God answers prayers. Rubbish! Study after study done by reputable research groups proves prayer has no effect on the outcome of a patient's health crisis.
We currently have an entirely separate thread that examines this topic in detail.
#8.Jesus never made a failed prophecy. Rubbish! On no less than four occasions in the gospels Jesus inaccurately predicted he would return within the lifetime of his disciples. Here they are:
a.“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
b.Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)
c.Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.“†(Matthew 26: 63, 64)
d.When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.’â€(Matthew 10:23)
#9. Jesus' life was not based on earlier dying/rising gods Rubbish! On the Rank/Raglan mythotype scale
Jesus scores 91% (20 of 22 points) which puts him in such illustrious company as Aeneas, Arthur, Buddha, Gilgamesh, Heracles, Lohengrin, Odysseus, Oedipus, Perseus, Romulus, Siegfried
Lord Raglan, in 1936, developed a 22-point myth-ritualist Hero archetype to account for common patterns across Indo-European cultures for Hero traditions.
Attempt to kill hero as an infant, often by father or maternal grandfather
Hero spirited away as a child
Reared by foster parents in a far country
No details of childhood
Returns or goes to future kingdom
Is victor over king, giant, dragon or wild beast
Marries a princess (often daughter of predecessor)
Becomes king
For a time he reigns uneventfully
He prescribes laws
Later loses favor with gods or his subjects
Driven from throne and city
Meets with mysterious death
Often at the top of a hill
His children, if any, do not succeed him
His body is not buried
Has one or more holy sepulchers or tombs
Read through these 22 points that characterize a mythical hero and see how many can easily be identified as describing Jesus as found in the gospels.
10. Jesus said he was God in the 4 gospels. Rubbish! Jesus is clearly portrayed as "The Holy one of God" and the "Son of man" but NOT God in Mark's gospel. In Matthew and Luke Jesus is portrayed as the "son of God" indicating an elevation to a demi-god. Finally in John we finally see Jesus fully evolved into God status with "Before Abraham was, I AM" The reason I have read is that the pagans the Christian churchmen were trying to convert wanted a god to worship and Mark's gospel did not show Jesus as a god but as man capable of weakness such as in Mark 1:24, "He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them." So they turned Jesus into a god when they wrote John's gospel.
Christians will find it increasingly difficult to bluff skeptics with their lies to overcome these serious problems with their faith. Please feel free to add to the list. I know we can raise the number of untruths up to 100 with no difficulty.
As I said before, I don't hate Christianity. I merely want its dirty linens exposed so people contemplating joining it have full disclosure about the faith before they join.
The blind lead the blind--Trinity churches-DO NOT-teach what Jesus actually taught. They teach what they are paid to teach--religious dogma taught in schools. I shaRE with them what Jesus actually taught, everyone rejects those teachings, even though they are in their translations--They aren't ever taught those teachings correctly so they remain blind and will lose--Mark 3:24-26--A house divided( 34,000) trinity based religions) will not stand.
The blind lead the blind--Trinity churches-DO NOT-teach what Jesus actually taught. They teach what they are paid to teach--religious dogma taught in schools. I shaRE with them what Jesus actually taught, everyone rejects those teachings, even though they are in their translations--They aren't ever taught those teachings correctly so they remain blind and will lose--Mark 3:24-26--A house divided( 34,000) trinity based religions) will not stand.
You mean theist apologists revert to the same impudent backchat when they run out of anything worthwhile. Eusebius old mate . I recognize the accent.
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Originally Posted by thrillobyte
huh?
Didn't you get the e -mail? You don't just have denominations that claim they are the Only ones going to heaven, not only sects and Churches. You have individuals who think they are the only ones interpreting scripture correctly. It's going to be dull in heaven. Him, God and Jesus unless Satan can take an hour off for a game of Bridge.
You have a lot to l earn about what constitutes FACTS. Especially about Christianity and the Bible. Don't worry, you are not to old to start learing and eliminate your ignorance.
Well, why don't you demonstrate what a fact is for us, Omega. For instance, you insist the apostles were real but they're only found in the Bible which is a book of fiction. Harry Potter is found in 7 fictional books too so that must make him real too, right? If the apostles are real name some historical treatises they are mentioned in. Go on, show us what a fact is.
What I write is only unclear to those completely ignorant of the subject:; Christianity and the Bible.
You have yet to prove anything I have said is wrong and I have proved you ignorant of the subject many times.
We have proven you wrong on more times than we care to mention. You just ignore it.
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"Is likely" show you have no evidence. Thanks.
Where is your evidence their mother tongue was Aramaic? The chances it was not. Even if it was have you never heard of learning a different language?
DUUH. That is how prophey works. Can you prove it did not happen as prophesied? NO!
Talk is cheap;, where is your evidence? Of course you don't have any.
Where does the Bible say the gospel writers were not eyewitnesses ? It doesn't. I hope you don't mind me answering your questions. People need to know the truth.
Jas 1:6 - But let him ask in faith without doubting. ... Can you ask in faith?
Not true. All I need for proof is what the Bible says. Jesus is real, this I know, for he Bible tells me so
That's Eusebius right enough! There is of course, a reason that he called himself Eusebius in a previous life. The real Eusebius war the greatest liar that the church has ever produced. It's just logical that he shall call himself the same. Nothing in his reply to warrant the effort of typing a reply other than.....
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Where does the Bible say the gospel writers were not eyewitnesses ? It doesn't. I hope you don't mind me answering your questions. People need to know the truth.
Matthew makes no direct claim in his gospel to being an eyewitness and heavily plagiarised Mark... …which an "eye-witness" wouldn't need to do.
Luke was not a follower of Jesus, he was a follower of Paul. Because some spurious stories about your man-god were circulating, Luke interviewed people who claimed to have known your man-god. So the Gospel of Luke is nothing more than second hand stories from people who claimed to have known this Jesus. So Luke was not an eye-witness.
Mark wrote down what Peter had told him about who Jesus was, what he did, where he went and what happened. Mark's gospel is therefore Peter's account, written down by Mark. So Mark is not an eye-witness.
The Gospel of John was written far too long after the events to have been written by an eye-witness.
So yes. People do need to know the truth... and now they have it.
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huh?
. I recognize the accent.
If the apostles are real name some historical treatises they are mentioned in. Go on, show us what a fact is.
