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Prophesy doesn't really demonstrate divine inspiration. It demonstrates the future of an event. And yes, I have all the scriptures in front of me that you sent me to. If anything, take one thing with you tonight. I may have possibly paid more close attention to you than anyone else has today, so it's not like your thoughts dont matter at all to me.....I'm quite intrigued by your posts, and even come back to my computer now and then to check for updates on this particular thread....
And you got me to have to buy a new printer cartridge based on the fact that I just printed out 13 pages of scriptures that I must now get busy working on. Great.... I'm going to be up all night because of you........................
Prophesy can demonstrate divine inspiration if it is prophecy that is proven to be 100% true. For only in the Bible do we find prophecy with that tract record. Many people try to fortell future events yet all fall short of 100%.
Yet the bible tells us that if God has spoken the prophecy, then the prophecy will be 100%. And this is why the Bible is the only religious Book that has this kind of accuracy. Because the real God, is the only one who really knows the future. And the Bible just happens to be His Book.
I strongly urge everyone to listen to this message (in 6 short parts) by Ravi Zacharias, a highly intelligent individual who has spoken at many public universities and in front of diverse groups of religious leaders and politicians around the world, including the U.N. Oh, and he is a Christian. I believe his viewpoint is very difficult to refute, so if you are at all interested in this topic, you will find the time to at least listen. If you would like to hear or read more from Ravi, visit his ministry website, rzim "dot" org.
I strongly urge everyone to listen to this message (in 6 short parts) by Ravi Zacharias, a highly intelligent individual who has spoken at many public universities and in front of diverse groups of religious leaders and politicians around the world, including the U.N. Oh, and he is a Christian. I believe his viewpoint is very difficult to refute, so if you are at all interested in this topic, you will find the time to at least listen. If you would like to hear or read more from Ravi, visit his ministry website, rzim "dot" org.
Another Christian Apologetic.
I wonder: Why do so many Christians claim that faith cannot be achieved through rational means, but that it can have a rational basis? The whole premise of rationalising faith seems ridiculous to me. Why do Christians buy into this stuff? You need scientists and intellectuals to "prove" that your faith is correct? Doesn't that nullify the need for faith?
Sorry if i'm Intruding! I am new and def wanted to get in on this conversation/Subject.
I am excited a topic like this has been created. Most people that try to talk about this do end up in a fight.
As for being a Atheist I want to start off by saying that most of my friends are Religous and Most are Christians. If given the chance to talk about Religion and such we just set ground rules that everyone is friends and no body parts will be missing after the conversation is done lol.
I want to say that i'm not trying to sound rude or bashing anyone at all just giving my imput on the question of what most Atheist hate Christians or why we are so ready to Fight when given the chance to talk to a christian.
Atheists can be defined many ways in my book. A person that doesn't believe in a god. A religion, Or is confused about what to believe. That's what I mostly get when I talk to other Atheists.
Being an Atheist isn't hard at my age because peer pressure is the least of worries, But to some Atheists Religous people can really put you up against a wall with the pressures behind their beliefs.
So that is why we are always in Defensive stance when it comes to "Lets talk about god". Clearly to be honest we don't want to talk about god. If you are against something or don't believe why would you want to talk about god? But when we are like Okay what ever lets talk about it. We are ready to fight and argue our point because we know most people will be like "Well we know that your parents died, And the reason why they did is because god wanted them".
In an Atheists point of view. That is selfish that god took their parents and they don't understand why. Nor do the Christians. They simply just think that it was meant to be and that god was ready for them.
I am a person of something called luck. I do believe in miracles. There are things that are unexplainable, Never will be explainable, Nor should be explainable. But life revolves around luck..
Lets take this scenario for instance.
There's this guy named Joe. And Joe is at a Casino bidding all of his savings hoping to make some money to buy a new house for his family. He sits down and plays some black jack. Joe puts all his money up and gets dealt 2 cards. A queen and the other is face down. He thinks to himself. Knowing Joe is a Christian god can help joe out here. He says to himself "God i've prayed and worshipped you since I can remember, All I am asking for now is another face card or 10 to so I can win this out and buy a home for my family" And so with that being said. His card gets flipped and BAM it's a face card.
Now regardless of how wrong or right the situation is, The fact is that Joe got a Face card. And because he had worshipped god and prayed all that time. He got what he wanted and now lives in a mansion in florida with his family of dogs. >_>.
God didn't give him that face card. Nor was it from him worshipping or praying or anything. It's luck that gave him that. Pure luck no miracle involved in that.
Most Christians explain things like that with "God did it" or "I prayed to him and he answered me" And I believe that to be bogus.
Another thing is when we ask you "Give us a reason for god to exist!" you are correct we will fight you on this one. Most Atheists believe in Science and have to have proof that this god exists. All Christians can say is "He exists because I believe he exists, It's called faith" and you know what. That is the best thing for Christians to hide behind because we can't prove that right or wrong.
Most Christian only want to believe what they want to believe(I apologize if you are a Christian with an Open mind and actually read what I wrote) and that is what makes Atheists get defensive because when we sit down to listen and talk you are all about "God is this" and "God is that" but there are events that take place in life and us Atheists sit here and ask "Where is that god when that person needs them".
So I really think that Christians need to give Atheists a chance to explain theirselves before they try to convert them.
One thing that does annoy me about christians is that most of them seem incapable of correctly spelling the word "atheist". It's not difficult, people.
One thing that does annoy me about christians is that most of them seem incapable of correctly spelling the word "atheist". It's not difficult, people.
Uhh....that's really, really, really, really, an unfair statement.
I think he spelled it that way because ahteist1 was already taken...
hmmm.......
Well, if that's the case the atheist2 should be available, yes?
I'm just razzing you guys since SuSu brought up spelling, I just wanted to point out bad grammar effects us all.
Or should I say bad grammer affects we all
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