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Old 01-11-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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here are verses from the Bible means he is not God


YouTube - Huge surprise for sincere Christians: The Bible clearly says that Jesus is not God
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:34 PM
 
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When Thomas saw Jesus for the first time after the cross, Thomas said. "My Lord, and MY GOD". IF Thomas had been mistaken, Jesus would of corrected him right off. Yet what did Jesus say, Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.

Jesus did not condem Thomas for making some great Biblical error. Jesus agreed with Thomas. And then Jesus said, blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. I believe as Thomas did, I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord, and my God. Only the spirit of error, would say that Thomas was mistaken.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:43 PM
 
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When Thomas saw Jesus for the first time after the cross, Thomas said. "My Lord, and MY GOD". IF Thomas had been mistaken, Jesus would of corrected him right off. Yet what did Jesus say, Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed.

Jesus did not condem Thomas for making some great Biblical error. Jesus agreed with Thomas. And then Jesus said, blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. I believe as Thomas did, I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord, and my God. Only the spirit of error, would say that Thomas was mistaken.
thomas didn't mistaken , so that jesus didn't correct him
i will imagine myselfs have a child whom went to a war and dead there
then after many years he appeared and came to me saying : i'm alive , touch me if you have doubt , i'm not spirit , i didn't die there.
if i find myself in such situation , i will look at my son and say : oh my God ! and hug him
is that mean that i think that my son is the God ??????

this is exactly what i think happened with thomas
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:11 AM
 
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Jesus did not condem Thomas for making some great Biblical error. Jesus agreed with Thomas. And then Jesus said, blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. I believe as Thomas did, I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord, and my God. Only the spirit of error, would say that Thomas was mistaken.
i forgot to add that from my point of view
muslims are the only nation whom believe that jesus didn't killed on the cross , yet they didn't saw him
may be he was refering to muslims by saying : blessed are those who have not seen and yet belive

so muslims either by thier understanding from exactly the same verses of the bible are believed that jesus christ didn't die . we believe as thomas did

but how can we know the correct understanding , mine or yours ?
we should to know whether thomas have doubts about jesus (pbuh) to be alive or to be God

from the context of the story , i think that the problem is that thomas didn't believe that jesus is alive , this was the big problem , but after he saw him he believed , believed what ? believed that he is alive
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:37 AM
 
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'god' is used in many ways in the Bible.

We tend to use it when talking about the deity, the creator, the architect of the universe.

In Bible usage it is also used as a variation of 'master'. As is 'lord'.

Moses was 'god' to Aaron.

A wife could correctly call her husband "My lord, my god".

The Bible tells us there are many gods, but only one creator.

There is also a god of this world.
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:54 AM
 
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thomas didn't mistaken , so that jesus didn't correct him
i will imagine myselfs have a child whom went to a war and dead there
then after many years he appeared and came to me saying : i'm alive , touch me if you have doubt , i'm not spirit , i didn't die there.
if i find myself in such situation , i will look at my son and say : oh my God ! and hug him
is that mean that i think that my son is the God ??????

this is exactly what i think happened with thomas
We are talking about the Bible here, and Thomas would never use God's name in vain, nor would the Scriptures leave us with an incorrect impression. When Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God" that is exactly what Thomas believed. The idea that you have just expressed is pushed by Islamics believers. Yet it is a real misconception, and no where in the Scriptures do we find anyone speaking in such a manner. I might also mention here that worship is for God only, yet we read in Luke chapter 24:51,52 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52. And they WORSHIPPED him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Worship is for God only. And that is why those who saw Jesus depart worshipped him.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:21 AM
 
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We are talking about the Bible here, and Thomas would never use God's name in vain, nor would the Scriptures leave us with an incorrect impression. When Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God" that is exactly what Thomas believed. The idea that you have just expressed is pushed by Islamics believers. Yet it is a real misconception, and no where in the Scriptures do we find anyone speaking in such a manner.
in luke 24 we read ( please try to use your mind alone for one time and ignore whtever church teached you )

36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be to you.” 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. 41 While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.


tell me what was jesus (pbuh) try to tell them when he said

See My hands and My feet. is he trying to tell them that he is alive or that he is the God ?

touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have
is he trying to tell them that he is alive/human or that he is the God ?

“Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; 43 and He took it and ate it before them.
is he trying to tell them that he is alive/human or that he is the God ?

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I might also mention here that worship is for God only, yet we read in Luke chapter 24:51,52 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52. And they WORSHIPPED him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
that's exactly what muslims believes
we believes that they crucified somone else instead of jesus (pbuh) , then jesus joined to them with his flesh and poofed to them that he is alive , hence he parted from them and carried up into heaven
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:24 AM
 
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I can't get access to youtube while at work, but I doubt the verses are taken in context.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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I can't get access to youtube while at work, but I doubt the verses are taken in context.
...but of course everything on YouTube that promotes Christianity is god's own truth.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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...but of course everything on YouTube that promotes Christianity is god's own truth.


there are plenty of knucklehead false teachers on there in the name of Christianity.

Do a youtube search on "sermon illustrations". That's a fun one. Or "pastors gone wild". Looking at some of them, it's no wonder you guys think very little of church.
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