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Hebrews 1 states that in the past God spoke to us through prophets, but today speaks to us through Jesus.
In addition to that, there was some manifestation of prophetic gifts, and some signs among the early church, and there is a reason for that --
1 Cor 1:21-23 “It pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles.”
Going on in 1 Cor 14:22, Paul says “tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers.”
There was a reason God gave worked in the church that way for a time -- it was to validate the message of the Gospel. I don't see that happening anymore. If God wants me to lay my hands on a person and heal them, or make me speak Swahili..it's going to happen. But for the most part, I just don't see that happening. I've been in services where people claim to speak in tongues, or healing goes on..I just don't see it as an authentic occurrence.
So which is it? No more prophets, or there are still prophets???
The "bible" seems to clearly tell us THERE ARE STILL PROPHETS---
Romans 12:6
Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;
So the same Paulie who claims we no longer have prophets, says SOME HAVE THE GIFT OF PROPHECY...
I would point out that we all have access to the very words of God if only we pick it up and read it.
No, you have access to WORDS written by MEN...Access to GOD is via SPOKEN word---reading 2000 year old words that have ZERO relevancy to the 21st century is FUTILE..
So which is it? No more prophets, or there are still prophets???
The "bible" seems to clearly tell us THERE ARE STILL PROPHETS---
Romans 12:6
Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith;
So the same Paulie who claims we no longer have prophets, says SOME HAVE THE GIFT OF PROPHECY...
The gifts of Romans 12 are not sign gifts....do you see that? They don't list things like tongues, healing, etc.
Prophecy is defined as speaking god's Words. A pastor "prophecies" when he stands up on Sunday morning and proclaims what the Bible says. Historically, even OT prophets were less about foretelling the future than they were about declaring what God had to say on a subject.
The gifts of Romans 12 are not sign gifts....do you see that? They don't list things like tongues, healing, etc.
Prophecy is defined as speaking god's Words. A pastor "prophecies" when he stands up on Sunday morning and proclaims what the Bible says. Historically, even OT prophets were less about foretelling the future than they were about declaring what God had to say on a subject.
So that is why you entered the priesthood? To be seen as a prophet speaking the written words of men under the guise of being from god?
But modern preachers are NOT prophesying..they are regurgitating the words of MEN...the OT prophets had NO book to read from and were RECITING GOD'S WORD straight from GOD...
So that is why you entered the priesthood? To be seen as a prophet speaking the written words of men under the guise of being from god?
I'm not a priest. I'm a pastor. There is a difference. A priest is someone who presents a sacrifice. I simply declare what Jesus has already done for us. I proclaim the words of God.
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But modern preachers are NOT prophesying..they are regurgitating the words of MEN...the OT prophets had NO book to read from and were RECITING GOD'S WORD straight from GOD...
Of course we are. To prophecy means to declare God's Word. I do that every time I preach the Gospel.
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ONE Corinthians says there is PROPHECY...TODAY
Where? Why don't we look at the exact verse in context and we'll see what it says.
One sense of "to prophesy" is to preach or to utter by claimed divine guidance or inspiration. Another is to predict via the same mechanism.
I doubt that most people outside the church understand the first definition that you're using.
It's all about what God has to say. In the OT, it was God giving a message to Israel. Many times it did include a foretelling of the future -- specifically that Israel would be judged for their wrong-doing. Or that Messiah would come to redeem them.
As Hebrews 1 states, in the past, that's how God communicated to man -- now it's through His Son. NOW, we can proclaim Jesus--he has come. Jesus told us in Matthew 28 to go out and proclaim that message to the world.
So that is why you entered the priesthood? To be seen as a prophet speaking the written words of men under the guise of being from god?
But modern preachers are NOT prophesying..they are regurgitating the words of MEN...the OT prophets had NO book to read from and were RECITING GOD'S WORD straight from GOD...
ONE Corinthians says there is PROPHECY...TODAY
This, prety much. You've as a priest been essentially bought. A prophet is basically a priest that has learned to speak without being bought by the system. People in this forum, even the atheists, are more prophets than those sellouts.
Well, my dad being a priest, I cannot be overly critical. But Preaching on your own is a different can of worms than doing it because it is your job.
There are still prophets - just not so much like the legend of Moses.
A prophet is someone who sees a vision of a better future and leads people to it.
Consider Martin Luther King - prophet to me - though not usually called that.
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No, you have access to WORDS written by MEN...Access to GOD is via SPOKEN word---reading 2000 year old words that have ZERO relevancy to the 21st century is FUTILE..
I agree that obviously the words in the bible and other religious doctrines were written (& rewritten, translated, warped etc) by imperfect people.
Yet I disagree that they are irrelevant. There are truths in them but as someone said, to get a diamond out of the dumpster, you'll have to get dirty.
Not only are there truths that can help you personally, the bible, especially is a major part of the collective unconscious - or whatever. It's the basis of how and why your great grandparents did what they did, why the founders of America did what they did. To ignore its influence would be ignorant. Then again, to pretend that it is purely the word of god when it was written by people - is having false gods which will inevitably fail (according to the bible itself - I know: circular reasoning. ).
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